Letters and Responses at The Progress Report

Responses to the "List of American Values" Article
Friday March 6, 2009
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Very nice site!
--Pharm43
VA

Friday, September 5, 2008
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Our individual futures, as well as the future of our nation, will be strongly influenced by our understanding of the power of values for good or bad, and what we can do to nurture the right ones in ourselves and in others - in family life, in our schools, in political leadership, in the administration of justice, in domestic and international business, and in other aspects of our daily lives.
In addition to thoroughly documenting the problems that have been created by a moral decline in America, my book, AMERICAN VALUES DECLINE: WHAT WE CAN DO, presents some 30, on-going, successful interventions and programs for dealing with them.
William Fox
Professor Emeritus,
University of Florida
--William Fox
gryfox@bellsouth.net

Thursday, November 15, 2007
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I think this article is excellent. It is easy to slip into the cosy world of the anti-American values listed. Incidentally, the values on the are great for any country, corporation or individual, not just the United States. They are both good and keep you competitive.
--Swan
swanningaround(at)yahoo.com

Thursday, September 20, 2007
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I very much agree, this is what an ideal american should be like
--Aline
angelinaroza151(at)yahoo.com

Tuesday, May 29, 2007
Concerning the List of American Values article:
What? This is a outrage! Firstly, Bush supports both flexible energy and free trade. It wasn't Bush who attacked the WTO, It was not Regan who demanded econmoy crippleing taxes, It wasn't Goldwater who supported massive Keysian "loans" to the "good" corporations in oder to fake low unemployment.
--Charles Richardson
charlie1302(at)hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
Keynes? Reagan? Goldwater? None of them are mentioned in the article. You are just making things up out of thin air. Try to be relevant.
The one relevant point you did make is that you think Bush favors free trade. He gave that up a long time ago. He opposes free trade in sugar, grains, medicines, fish, steel, chicken, and the list goes on and on. You have to look at his policies, not what his lips say. This is an important lesson and the sooner you learn it, the more accurately you will see the world.

Wednesday, February 28, 2007
Concerning the List of American Values article:
This is wrong. You are saying that one of the characteristics of anti-americanisim is believing in capital punishment and I quote "Believes that governments have the right to kill their own citizens and the citizens of other countries. I do not believe in capital punishment, but I do not think someone who does is anti-american.
--chris
turtle5714(at)yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
You are welcome to your opinion, but I don't see anything American about wanting governments to have the right to kill their own citizens. The United States was formed partly in order to reduce and restrict the power of government, not to give more and more power to government.

Monday February 26, 2007
Concerning the List of American Values article:
The information I found here was rather helpful. Thank you for this.
--uomo
...

Sunday, February 11, 2007
Concerning the List of American Values article:
This is stupid! You cant tell a person that they are Anti-american just beacuase they believe in capital punishment or feeling that the government has a right to tariffs or sales tax. A person is not defined by these two columns. You may believe in one thing on one side of the column and yet in something on the other side of the column. To divide the human race this way is so close minded and ridiculous.
--Michelle
SeaShell_2(at)yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
The article does not make any of the claims that you accuse it of. Those are all in your imagination, not in the article. If you want to be taken seriously, you will have to read the article and reply to something that it really says -- don't just make things up.

Monday, July 31, 2006
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I daily thank god for the progress report. Now please check on the Nafta Super Highway, and the other 80 corridors going to be built in the us with money from Spain. Most will be toll roads with tolls collected by Spain. Also the one from Mexico to Canada from Loredo texas to Minnesota will be chain link fenced and only mexican trucks will be able to travel on it uninspected until they reach an inspection station in Kansas city that the US is going to spend 3 million of us taxpayers monies to build for mexico-yes mexico will own it.request a map titled "high priority corridors" on the national highway system. Thanks for your help in bringing this before the american people before they get it. Oh yes eminent domain will be used!!
--Jo Ann Forsness
djf(at)midrivers.com

Wednesday, July 19, 2006
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I love your site.
I have always said the American flag is just red, white, and blue. But now we have a fourth color on the flag. Do you know what the fourt color is and what it represents legaly? Iknow because I have a State letter that informes me that the fourth color is gold fringe and it mutilates the flag and suspends the constitution. If I had gold fringe on my flag as a civilian I could be held for a prison term of one year. It also states that all civilian courts are military courts not constitutional courts. I put this information to the test. I got jury duty and asked if I was to serve my jury duty in military court as a civilian or in constitutional law court? I was told by the judge that he would not answer the question and told me he was siting me with 5 days contempt of court. I am looking for representation on this matter. Standing up for my old glory flag shoul not caust anyone 5 day jail just for asking a question. any one interested in representing this case should contact me at sharhensl@aol.com. Under subject matter. ( Get the gold fringe off the flag. )
--Sad son of a vet
sharhensl(at)aol.com

Tuesday, May 23, 2006
Concerning the List of American Values article:
if there was a country full of and run by people who believed all these things, i would be in heaven. it makes me sad that the right column is more often true.
--david
explodingkarl(at)gmail.com

Tuesday, April 25, 2006
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Thank you for your astute description of American values. Youve included religious freedom and co-existence but I dont see tolerance. Tolerance, respect, and appreciation of our differences (or uniqueness)--whether they be cultural, racial, religious, sexual, philosophical, or otherwise--are important values in the U.S. Separation of church and state is another critical value. Id like to see us add respect for the earth and all living things, and the establishment of policies based on sustainability of the earths resources for all, not just Americans.
--Kim Kelley

Monday, April 24, 2006
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I think youve made a number of good points, great for discussions. Now if people could discuss, and not become so outraged in the process.
--Debra
debraskibun(at)cs.com

Tuesday, February 28, 2006
Concerning the List of American Values article:
American: Feels no government entity is a parent or pastor, and the entity should consider itself privileged to be allowed to hold office.
Anti: Obviously the opposite!
--bentpatriot
bentpatriot(at)yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
I like your suggestion.

Tuesday December 6, 2005
Concerning the List of American Values article:
War on drugs is impossible.
--nate
somesaasfkl;
The publisher replies:
And yet the federal government has squandered billions of taxpayer dollars on such a war, and continues to do so.

Wednesday November 2, 2005
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Thank you for posting these very important tenets. While reading other readers comments, I'm both encouraged and saddened by some who were glad they found your article because they were unsure what American values really are. I cannot think of more alarming evidence of the destruction the current Bush administration is responsible for by talking about values and then acting in direct contradiction to principles of honesty and integrity.
I urge other readers to check out a speech Vice President Al Gore gave on public discourse Oct 5, 2005. This is a link to text remarks http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/10/5/14301/6133.
God Be With Us All
--Dallas Progressive
bpfefferkorn@verizon.net

Wednesday October 26, 2005
Concerning the List of American Values article:
As an "average working-american" (sic),I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with your opinion piece. Let's hope that enough people will get sick of the Republican B.S. and there will be a backlash in 2006 and 2008.
--Delilah
dhart72118@yahoo.com

Sunday October 2, 2005
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I appreciate your analyzing and listing commonly held American values. How I found this site anyhow, is that I (like many others) who have been born and raised here in the USA are unsure of our American values. I am not satisfied in just saying that the Bill of Rights sums up our values as a postmodern nation. I have been encountered with the question by non-Americans of whether I agree with this statement that "consumerism has now become the dominant value of American society." Instinctively, I wanted to flatly deny it; however, how can we deny the great value many of us place on consumerism and monetary values in our contemporary society? Are we becoming the heedless consumer to such a great extent that it is THE or one of our MAIN unspoken values? It made me think. Would this ever make your list? I grew up in a very non-materialistic community and am hoping we aren't quite there yet.
--Yvonne
jenandroger@earthlink.net
The publisher replies:
Thank you for your thoughtful and interesting remarks! None of us may know all the answers, but it helps to ask the right questions, and you are doing this!

Thursday September 29, 2005
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Americans have reason to be proud of their "American values" but in general they have become too focused on the 'American' and not enough on the human aspect of values which all people share.
--Marion Hubbard
marionhubbard@hotmail.com

Sunday September 11, 2005
Concerning the List of American Values article:
You know, I’m kinda glad I stumbled across this article while surfing the net. I never really had a clear idea of 'what it means to be an American', but now at least when I have an idea.
I have a curiosity though, but maybe I might be referring to another topic, but I have noticed that Americans tend to rush. Everything seems to be 'on time', or how all (or most) fast food chains have started in America. In France, I have noticed that people take their time. My friend's mom lived in France, and she says how you could be 15 or half an hour late to a meeting and no one would take notice.
Could the term ‘time is money’ be an American Value? I don’t know how to phrase this term, but maybe you could find the words.
Thanks
--Alex Feng
fengshui_20000@msn.com

Monday July 4, 2005
Concerning the List of American Values article:
GOOD to see other people arent afraid to express their opionion. The U.S. sucks!!! I cant wait for the day when it falls apart.
--kakonsteraro
dcampbell2@twcny.rr.com

Friday June 17, 2005
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Hello,
I like your article, and I agree with most of it. I have lived in the US for more than thirty years, and I find myself saddened by the current civic discourse (or lack thereof).
I am writing this note just to answer some of the commentators on the subject of abortion. Not everybody believes that personhood begins at conception. This belief is religious in nature, and different religions (and non-religious people) have a different opinion on this. Some of us see it as happening later in the growth process. It is too complex a subject to cover here, but interested persons may want to research out Carl Sagan well thought out commentary on a rational approach to this.
Anyway, dialog on values is always welcome and thought provoking. Keep it up!
--PieraK
pierak@mindspring.com

Thursday April 28, 2005
Concerning the List of American Values article:
This is what you think is what you think are american values, not the average working-american...it is your opinion
--james
tydurden2000@gobolts.com
The publisher replies:
The article makes it clear that it is an opinion piece. And you don't have any better claim to know what the "average working-american" is thinking.

Friday April 8, 2005
Concerning the List of American Values article:
thanks very much for your information.my classmates and i are doing a presentation on american values, would you like send me some more information about american dream of independent? i also know that the most typical feature of american values is freedom, this is the topic i like best, i hope that i will have chance to discuss about it in coming days. thanks alot
--mai trang nguyen
maitrangnguyen82

Wednesday March 23, 2005
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Concerning the List of American Values article: "People from United States why dont you find any other way to call yourselves...what about USians? Not americans...because there is more people living in this continent that doesn't feel exactly like you or your president. About your values, they can work for any other country, they aren't "American" exclusively." --Rodolfo
I think we could call ourselves USerians or USurers.
The main object is to be able to increase our income and net worth as much as we can and exert the least physical effort necessary to do so.
--Warren C.
w1uir@aol.com

Tuesday March 22, 2005
Concerning the List of American Values article:
People from United States why dont you find any other way to call yourselves...what about USians? Not americans...because there is more people living in this continent that doesn't feel exactly like you or your president. About your values, they can work for any other country, they aren't "American" exclusively.
--Rodolfo
rshimatsu@yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
I agree that it would be good if people in the US were called something other than Americans, since Canada, Mexico, Paraguay, Argentina and many other places are considered part of America. Work for that goal if you wish.
By the way, the article to which you are replying never said that the values presented there are exclusive to one country. Some American values are shared by other people, some are shared by all people.
Thank you for writing.

Wednesday February 16, 2005
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Taxes have thier place THings like ,roads, military, public safety standard , public / enviorment protections and standards, schools and school standards .... etcetera etcetera etcetera
--mark
smmile@earthling.net
The publisher replies:
All the things that you mentioned have the effect of increasing site values. Collect the increased site value and the government has its revenue. No need for taxes.
For more information, try www.henrygeorge.org

Monday December 20, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I firmly believe that a great deal of the American Character comes from the government. Many people claim to be American and at the same time harshly criticize the U.S government. I realize that one of the great things about our country is the mechanisms within that can help bring about change; however, we as a society must come together and support our government leaders. Bush has received a great deal of criticism, and i believe that a large portion of it is unjust and undeserved.
--Shamus O'Flarity
thundar@integraonline.net
The publisher replies:
You say some criticism of Bush is undeserved -- which part? Please be specific.
Critics of the status quo are patriotic. We must hold the U.S. government to high standards of ethics, openness and fairness. When mistakes are made, we need critics to bring the mistakes forward so that they may be corrected.

Friday December 10, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
My recent decision to reach some clarity regarding \"American values\" happily led me to the List of American and Anti-American values in The Progress Report. Here, it seemed, was an attempt not just to open a dialogue but also to challenge fuzzy thinking, whatever the viewpoint expressed by a responder. I hope my own fuzzy thinking will provoke response.
I have wondered about my own patriotism, and I understood the disbelief expressed in a recent letter to our local newspaper, the author unwilling to accept that his feeling of shame regarding actions and policies of the government invalidated his claim to love his country.
So, what is meant by American values? Are they the ideals, customs, and institutions that most of American society would endorse in polls? Are they the ideals set forth by the founding fathers in the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Are they the causes and the things for which Americans spend their time and money -- irrespective of what values they claim as their own? Are they limited to the values subscribed to by the Christian (or other) faith? What is the most important distinction between American values and the values of other societies? It's both amusing and sad that I am looking for answers to these questions as I approach my 80th birthday.
I am a secular humanist, and predictably am not looking to people of faith -- though remaining open to their ideas -- for answers. Also predictably, I view reason in the service of all human beings and their environment as perhaps a meta-value, by which all others should be judged. That won't set well with a lot of folks, of course, and I do not mean to imply that values should be devoid of any emotional basis; (I find Handel's Messiah and Beethoven's 9th symphony wonderfully moving, and am in no way troubled by their Biblical underpinnings). But in emphasizing reason, I am pointing to what seems to be increasing un-reason in American thinking as well as to ideological polarization and the constraints that this polarization places on objectivity.
By and large, I subscribe to those values you placed under the heading \"American Characteristics.\" Why you substituted the word \"characteristics\" in place of \"values,\" which you used in the introduction, I don't know. Both columns describe American characteristics; after all, we are a diverse society. For me, the left-hand column represents a wish list based on what you and I and many others believe accurately reflects the intent of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I do admit to some queasiness about use of the word \"sanctity\" as applying to human life, and prefer thinking in terms of its a priori or intrinsic value. I'm sure that this admission will push some buttons.
Nietzsche observed (my paraphrase) that it's not enough to prove something; we must seduce or elevate others to an understanding or acceptance of it, and that's why knowledgeable persons must learn to speak their wisdom, \"sometimes in ways that may sound like folly.\" There's no doubt he was right, and it's hard to know how to seduce America at large into a national investigation and clarification of values encompassing cultural, spiritual, economic and survival/life enhancement concerns, and challenging or at least clarifying underlying premises and the reasoning proceeding from them. Maybe this website can generate the necessary folly.
The above thoughts are pretty superficial and don't lead to any kind of \"closure\" in my mind, or, I am sure, anyone else's. But I value the chance to express them where I will likely get some thoughtful feedback, positive or negative.
--Spencer M. Wright
wrigle@adelphia.net
The publisher replies:
Thank you for your exceptionally interesting comments. Just a couple of responses to particular points that you made.
One, if someone feels shame about the actions of their nation's government, that suggests that this person really cares about his or her nation. I can love my nation without loving my government, that's for sure. And many people love their children without loving the sometimes awful mistakes that those children can make. The people who worry me most are the ones who do not feel shame over such things as the slaying of thousands of women and children in Iraq, or the torture of prisoners in U.S. custody.
Secondly, your point about the word "sanctity" is interesting. I think that human life is special and precious, but I had not realized that the word "sanctity" would give it a religious dimension as well. Yet persons with no religious affiliations or beliefs can still share this view -- so I have changed the word "sanctity" to "special preciousness" in the article. This might sound a bit awkward but it expresses the idea more accurately. Thanks for raising the question.
I invite other Progress Report readers to respond to Mr. Wright's comments at this page, or if you wish a more in-depth dialogue, try the Economic Justice Discussion Room at http://www.progress.org/progs/wwwboard

Thursday November 25, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I wish "american" characteristics were more widespred among the american people. At the moment it seems to me that, according to your definition, the majority of the people in america are "anti-American". They are not the only ones, most of the world now is becoming more and more Anti-American. I live in a very cosmopolitan city (Oxford) and everyone agree here about America.
At the same time we never forget that there are many good people in America. Just like 60 years ago there were good people in Germany or in Japan.
I am glad I was not born in a such a blind, bigot, selfish and brainwashed society, who knows if I would be able to think critically for myself if I had grown up in Texas and watched fox news or CNN on a daily basis? I once went to the US as an exchange student and it was the most unhappy time in my entire life (I am 29), it changed me for ever, it was the 1st time I ever faced rejection and it opened my eyes on prejudices and racism happening in my own country. This was in 1992, but already back then people were anti French. Even without knowing me they thought I was "sofisticated and arrogant". The world can now see more obviously than ever who the americans are.
Which country in this world has been at war permanently for the last 50 years, either supporting dictators against democraticaly elected politicians (egs: Chile, sept 11, 1973)or fighting to gain more influence? Which country has the highest number of prisoners per capita (45% of afro-american men spend time in jail)?
which country is the biggest consumer of the world resources and polluter (by far) per capita?
In which country can you see talk shows on TV were people expose their private lifes without restraint or decency?
Which country is led by religious fundamentalists who claim to be "pro life" and are in favor of war and the death penalty?
Which country refuses to agnowledge climate change and refuses to reduce its emissions of CO2?
Which country believes that whoever is not with them in their "crusade" is against them?
Which country refuses to recognise the IWT (international war tribunal)?
In which rich country are there more children under the poverty line than in Russia?
In which rich country does half the population lack medical insurance?
Which country is trying to teach the rest of the world how to live?
--george chapelin
artachaud@hotmail.com

Wednesday November 3, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Wow... so true.... Its sad that these Anti"American" (republicans) thiny they understand American Values. Hence, I call them NAZI's. Especially with the Bush Family Background... their history.
I think the USA will go far more downhill with fixed elections (Votings machinces without paper trails which are made be companies who are friends of Bush/Cheny).
The USA is dead...
--Real Texan
bushisanazi@yahoo.com

Wednesday October 27, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I strongly agree with most of The Progress Report. I don't think that americans that favor the war are anti-american. I know there was propably some better alternatives, but this is the one we took. Citizen support of the nation at a time like this, is condidered an american value in my book.
--Gloria
gloria.rojas@lapryor.net
The publisher replies:
The only argument that you offer in favor of your idea is that it's an American value to support war because we "already" went to war.
I have news for you. We already killed thousands of women and children. We already violated the Geneva Convention on human rights. We already committed torture. Don't tell me it's therefore an American value to support those things!
You say you favor "citizen support of the nation at a time like this." So do I. The way that I support the nation is by criticizing it and drawing attention to its terrible actions so that they may be noticed, admitted and corrected as quickly as possible. That's the kind of support that really helps. If you shut up and do nothing, you are inviting more horrible actions.

Thursday September 30, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I am in desperate need of finding what it is American values are and where they stem from. There is a huge group of "Americans" that believe these values encompass only certain ideals, ones that I question. So is there a consentual outline to understanding American values?
--olivia
oliviadevore@yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
Thanks for writing. The article to which you are responding was intended to begin this sort of discussion. It has succeeded beyond my wildest dreams.
To continue the discussion, you can try places such as the Economic Justice Discussion Room at http://www.progress.org/progs/wwwboard
But the main thing is, reach out and communicate! Just start, and see what happens.

Wednesday September 22, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
What America does not understand?
I am an US immigrant and I have seen in my 20s both what life in a developing nation is like and what life in America is like. I am sorry to say, America in general, and especially George W. Bush, does not understand what a citizen of an Asian country feels about the much touted values of freedom, liberty and democracy. I see a shallow society in America, that blows like a candle in the wind to the tune of every day’s CNN headlines, with no firm convictions on what is right and what is wrong.
Asia and Middle East are not totally “free” by American standards. Are our goals to bring happiness to the mid-east? If yes, let me say, happiness is a zero sum game. What makes a person in an economically and socially constrained environment happy is very different from the definition of happiness in US. Bush is assuming that if everyone is able to vote, do what they please with their spare time, and feel free to use the earth’s natural resource as they please, they would be happy. In America, for want of better avenues, happiness is often all about things like owing a powerful car, being able to have a nice wine collection or a being able to boast about your golf handicap. But remember these things are very transient. In Asia, happiness is often derived from close communities that are not afraid to discuss religion, politics and day-to-day problems. America is free but you hardly ever hear someone discussing politics or religion. Bottom-line is, Americans are more afraid because they have more to lose materially. They enjoy less freedom than the people in the villages of Asia, for whom their wealth is their communities, their religion and their shared ideologies. Bush is strong on ideology, but see where that is taking him.. downhill.
Being able to celebrate a festival with the closest of your friends and relatives and making a joke about how corrupt the local phone company is are pleasures an American will never know. If you eradicated all corruption in your local phone company, there is no longer much to talk about, You have to invent situations like "my co=passenger on the flight to Boston sneezed every other minute'" because life starts to get empty of genuinely remarkable situations.
So, don’t assume that the American way of life is the best. Acknowledge that every nation and every religion has developed a way of life that best suits them, sometimes over thousands of years, often much before America even existed. Respect cultures, religions and societies for their values and traditions although they may seem weird to the fast food eye. Respect the diversity of thought and opinion that makes this world so interesting and frankly, that makes the world go round. The world would be weighed down to the west and stop spinning if America is the only worthwhile culture that there is.
--Mickey
WY

Thursday September 16, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Where did you get the notion that war and capital punishment are not American characteristics? Americans have frequently and overwhelmingly supported both throughout our history.
--F.J. Mehrtens
fjmehr@usa.net
The publisher replies:
You are mistaken. There has never been "overwhelming" support for killing American prisoners. As for supporting war, it is true that many Americans have urged war at many times. On balance, one can ask oneself, which does America mean, Peace or War? The conclusion that I drew was that peace is more of an American value than is war. It is perfectly all right if you have another opinion. But bear in mind that our values are not only a matter of what has happened in history, they are also a matter of what we aspire to.

Friday September 10, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
The obvious problem with politicians throwing around the term "anti-American" is that it works against the basic principle of a democracy: dissenting voices should be heard. You have indicated this by placing "Thinks critics of the status quo are unpatriotic" on the "anti-American" (and hence unpatriotic) side of the list.
However, several points you have listed as unpatriotic violate this most basic principle. You have indicated that it is anti-American to have "only a weak belief in capitalism" as well as support (unspecified) "government interventions". And it is anti-American if one does not "consider commerce... to be a private matter, not a government concern". But in a healthy democracy, voicing concerns about a system of strong, uninterrupted capitalism (or any economic system for that matter) prevents the blind acceptance of the status quo as best. This is not to say that such a critique will be proven correct, of course, but rather that it contributes to keeping the country honest.
It is impossible to make out exactly what you mean by "made anxious by others' use of freedom of speech", but I would also point out that discussions of what constitutes protected speech are essential to a democracy. You may believe that everything should be permitted, but it is hardly anti-American to question that position. Instead, it would (if approached in an open manner) open up important issues that would otherwise be ignored.
Lastly, I can't see how an unqualified opposition to war marks a patriot whereas the opposite is anti-American. From the Revolutionary War onwards Americans have been using force to accomplish their ends. I would argue that this has often constituted a misuse of force, but it does not necessarily follow that it is anti-American to believe that sometimes the use of force is necessary ("kill their own citizens and the citizens of other countries"). Right now, of course, the public has relatively little say in when force is justified, which is bad for democracy. But the appropriate American value, as I see it, is for the question of war to be a matter of public debate and not something answered exclusively by officials.
If dialogue is to remain open and the voice of dissent not to suffer premature censorship , it is important that ambiguous issues (for which two or more reasonable, and yet conflicting, positions exist) be left open to public debate and never solved ahead of time through recourse to American/anti-American rhetoric.
--Will
prestonwill@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
You suggest that dissenting voices should be heard. I agree. The list was offered, as the article clearly stated, as a starting point, not as the final word on the subject.
Freedom of speech is about as American a value as you can get. But I never said that value should not be allowed to be questioned. My contention was merely that views opposing freedom of speech are not expressing an American value.
It is true that Americans have fought in a lot of wars, but the question being addressed is, is it part of the American spirit to want war, or to want peace? It seems to me that Americans are at their finest and best when pursuing peace rather than violence. That's why I don't regard being willing to "kill their own citizens and the citizens of other countries" as an American feature.
Thanks for your comments.

Thursday August 26, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
it's good
--Jessica
pink_lady187@hotmail.com

Monday August 9, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
This article was doing pretty well, here, until I saw "victimless crimes" opposite the "war on drugs." Obviously ... and unfortunately ... this article has an "agenda." Narcotics ... including tobacco and alcohol ... prostitution ... gambling ... are terribly destructive and NOT "victimless crimes."
--Lou Coatney
elcoat@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
Of course the article had an agenda. Loudly and strongly we proclaimed the agenda, namely, the promotion of American Values.
Please note -- to the extent that certain activities have victims, they are not victimless. I was referring to victimless activities. Activities that have victims should also have consequences. I hope you agree with that.
The government's failed "War on Drugs" is a good example of an activity with lots and lots of victims. I urge that you join me in calling for an end to it.

Friday August 6, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Looks like a comparison of George W. Bush but he would never consider himself as anti patriotic.
--robert boyd
rnboyd707@msn.com

Thursday July 15, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I don't aggree with HOOTs description of what drugs "do to your noodle" But he may have a point just look at Rush (pills) Limbaugh. There is a man whose only value is hate mongering and disinformation. Hmmmm, could it be a side affect of the brain killers, oops i meant pain killers?
--proud vet
ashap55@msn.com

Wednesday July 7, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Your remarks are confusing..I live in HeartLand of America where values are true and just..not a mixture of good values with Socalistic attitudes: for example the sanctity of human life is important however the government has the right to protect its citizens. Peace at the cost of freedom is never an alternative. Capital Punishment is also a punishment as well as the socitey protecting it people.
--Chuck Wagon
weshallsee.com
The publisher replies:
I hope it was not the article that you read, but I do agree that you seem confused. It can be unpleasant to find contradictions in one's viewpoints, but it can also open doors to better, sounder, stronger views.
Peace and freedom are not at war, they are on the same side. Try the article again and look for something new.

Tuesday June 22, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Your correct that the "war" on drugs is bogus. However, legalizing drugs is not like candy bars. Candy bars don't do the things that drugs do to peoples noodle. And you seem to be a prime example of my argument.
--HOOT
mknpots@dc.rr.com
The publisher replies:
Why not just make your points without attempting to insult somebody? If you want to be taken seriously you have to stay focused on the subject and not veer off into insults.

Wednesday June 2, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I THINK THAT THE BOOK SAYS ONE THING AND THE PEOPLE SAYS ANOTHER.IF THE WORLD WAS TO END RIGHT NOW, WE WILL ALL BE DISAPPOINTED
--DOMINIQUE K. GREENE
DOMO36_MAFIA@BLACKPLANET.COM

Wednesday May 26, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Your article was well prepared and organized as well your responses to the people. Well done Sir.
--Juan Delgado
Puerto Rico

Friday May 14, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
the people of america would be better off with this country under there own power and not controled by any government.
--R.P.W
rpw7786@sbcglobal.net

Wednesday March 31, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
The War On Drugs is not hardly a victimless crime. Theft , murder, gangs , innocent fetus' addicted to drugs , assult of all levels, rape , molestation. All of the above are linked to drugs nearly always if not all of the time.
--Chris
snowwhite82899000@yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
Sounds as though you are mixing up drug use and the so-called war on drugs. The War on Drugs has lots of victims. The theft, murder, etc. that you deplore can be traced to the current failed policies of the war on drugs, which includes keeping drugs illegal and thus making the illegal drug trade extremely profitable for criminals.
You don't see people shooting people for selling a candy bar or a Christmas decoration. If drug selling was no more profitable than selling those things, there would be far less crime and fewer victims.

Wednesday March 24, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Now, I hope I have established that I am almost entirely in accord with what Hanno wrote, I want to dissent about one possible minor aspect of the article.
To live in integrity with our values--which include promoting a democratic, open community in which we all contribute and participate--I believe we need to refrain from the disdainful tone of some of the values that you, Hanno, placed under 'anti-American,' and from the practice of labeling the beliefs of those with whom we disagree 'anti-American.' They may call our beliefs 'anti-American,' but I think that we are not living in accord with our own values if we return that disrespect to them.
Nor does it serve our interests or comply with our values for us to caricature beliefs that we don't share. For example, if a conservative were to read your characterization of his/her position as "Has only a weak belief in capitalism, and is quick to embrace corporate welfare, special privileges and other government interventions," I believe that he or she would immediately sense your intent to discredit him or her, and little constructive civic engagement would be possible.
People aren't generally persuaded of anything by telling them--or even showing them--that they are wrong. They more readily weaned away from currently accepted beliefs by providing them something better to believe in and to support.
So, again, I emphatically support any effort of progressive or centrist citizens to be explicit about our shared values, and I honor those who can go even further to demonstrate those values.
--Kim Kairn
Wisconsin, USA
The publisher replies:
You have carefully and tactfully explained your disagreement with the tone, and some of the phrasing, that I used when describing some of the values that I take to be anti-American.
You are 100% correct that declaring someone else to be "wrong" is not an efficient way to get them to rethink their position and eventually to persuade them of the "right" viewpoint.
However, any particular article can only do so much. In this particular article I was not attempting to make gentle persuasive moves -- instead, I was merely laying out what I saw as American, and anti-American, values. It's a starting point. From there, let people agree or disagree as much as they wish. In other words, it was more like a declaration, or an "anthem," than a persuasion document. It's an effort to begin dialogues -- more of an effort to invite others to examine their own values and what they think of as American, than an effort to invite others to shift their views.
Let me add that your intelligent comments have contributed significantly to the ongoing dialogues about American values.

Wednesday March 24, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Even before I read your 'American Values' aricle, Hanno, I had recently tried to compile my own list of values that I perceive the majority of Americans share. If we are going to re-take the high ground of American Values from those who would claim it and distort it for their selfish interests, we need to be ready to speak about a truly shared set of values with which a majority of the American Community can agree.
My list is:
1. We value America as a nation that was deliberately created in the knowledge that common people can find better ways to live and work together, in peace and prosperity, with liberty and justice for all.
We value America as we create it anew with every generation. From the many religious, cultural, and intellectual heritages of our forebears, and from the unique contributions of the individuals who choose to become or remain Americans today, we continuously reinvent a single American Nation, indivisible in our commitment to a better future for ourselves and for our descendants.
2. We value the national, state, and local governments that we create of ourselves, by ourselves, and for ourselves. Working together within these governments, we grant to them the authority and the resources that are necessary to make and enforce laws and to conduct activities that will ensure the peace and promote our common welfare. We grant to our governments no power to deny our basic human rights and liberties or to deny the basic rights and liberties of any human. We value openness in public affairs; governments of the people, by the people, and for the people conduct their business openly and report honestly to those they serve.
3. We value the quality of our land, air, and water, and we aspire to manage them wisely, to protect our health and our spiritual heritage, and to enable our continued prosperity through many following generations.
4. We value the responsible and productive endeavors of commerce as they serve to provide for the general prosperity, health, and safety. We value equal opportunities for each person to develop and to use his or her potential for the betterment of the individual, his or her family, and our common good. We believe that poverty within a prosperous nation shames and weakens that nation, and we value rewards that are commensurate with contributions, so that none among us are unjustly deprived of the fruits of their own labor, and so that none among us are unjustly enriched far beyond their contributions.
5. We value the constructive relationships that we create in families, organizations, communities, and our nation as a whole, and we strive to protect and strengthen the relationships through which each of us gives and receives support. In particular, we value the education, protection, and support of children.
6. As Americans, we endeavor to live in integrity with our values. In doing so, we intend humbly and consciously to serve as a beacon for any human who shares our values, and as a model for any nation that does not.
--Kim Kairn
Wisconsin, USA
The publisher replies:
No problem with those values. They are good, they are American, and you express them extremely well.
The next step is to list specific initiatives (legislative, mainly) that are called for by your values. This is where you will find exciting (or sometimes unpleasant) differences among people.
Unfortunately, I can easily imagine many Democrats, Republicans, Greens and others nodding their heads happily at your statement of values, but still encountering the usual differences and conflicts when it comes to specific initiatives.
You have your statement of values. Now make yourself a list of a few "legislative priorities" and start working on those, and see what sorts of allies you attract. I think they will share many or most of your values, and I wish you luck.

Wednesday March 24, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Hanno:
In 'American Values,' you have raised what I think is quite possibly the most important civic issue facing our nation, the US, in this decade.
For some reason, the large majority of people who currently have the courage to speak strongly and publicly about their values are those at the far right of American politics and those who subscribe to what is currently labeled 'conservative' ideology. Americans of more progressive or centrist bent are typically hesitant to speak of the values that shape their beliefs and actions.
This, I believe, makes the former more persuasive and compelling in the public arena. Voters do not choose their leaders based on tallying up the candidates' stands on this policy and that policy. Not only is that beyond the capability of most Americans, who cannot be well-informed on all the policy options, but it's not a truly wise course of action anyway. Every politician must engage in give-and-take once they get into office, so none of them are going to be able to implement exactly the policies they have promoted anyway. And we never know what specific issues will arise during the course of the term in office.
The wise course of action is to vote for the politicians whose values you share, and watch to make sure their actions, once in office, do in fact reflect those values.
But politicians and partisans on the left and center seem uncertain and uneasy when they speak of values. This has got to stop. Having values is nothing to be ashamed of. Being able to articulate those values well is a necessary component of leadership.
More in my next comment.
--Kim Kairn
Wisconsin, USA
The publisher replies:
Your comment highlights the importance of everyone speaking up, speaking out about what is important to them. When you speak up, you make it "safer" and more possible for others to do this. When you wear a campaign button, join a third party, etc., you make it more likely that others will follow your example.

Thursday February 5, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
This article deals with many interesting points, but at some topics i feel that it becomes to informative. i can undestand that its hard to tell the exact difference between an american patriot and an anti-american, since it is such a touching points. however, i wished that this article would deal with specific arguments that told which values are connected with the american people, and wheather or not those values belong to the whole country, or some areas.
--Rajwinder Kaur
flowergirl104@hotmail.com

Wednesday January 28, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
"Anti-American Characteristics: Does not mind government intrusion in commerce, such as tariffs or sales taxes."
I must agree with your opinion that government should not interfere with commerce, but I find that taxing one's income is unconstiutional (especially since the US does not have a flat tax installed). Why is working hard, earning as much possible to raise one's family, utilizing one's resources to be successful (often from poor economic backgrounds) treated as if it is wrong? Is that not one of the American dreams? But then why is it that those above a certain income level are taxed more heavily with a higher percentage rate than those below the level? Indeed, they have more money, but why should they be punished for being successful?
http://www.patriotpetitions.com/petition.asp?id=6
--Tom
sea_fury@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
I am against the income tax. It is immoral to take a person's legitimate earnings. Instead, we should levy taxes on special privileges, and on the taking, monopolizing, and polluting, of natural resources.
However, even though it is bad, the income tax is specifically authorized in an amendment to the U.S. Constitution, so there's not much point in your claim that it is unconstitutional.

Sunday January 25, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
this statement of belief is the same idea that this country was founded on in the fist revolt of the people against tyrany.
--Doyle Brown
doylebrown0900@msn
The publisher replies:
Thank you for looking at it that way.

Wednesday January 21, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Why is your opinion better than anyone else's? You think that taking drugs and criticizing the goverment is patriotic?
--American
something@yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
The article never said that my opinion is better than anyone else's. The article never said that taking drugs is patriotic. Criticizing the government, with a view toward improving it for all persons, is definitely patriotic.
If you have a problem with something in the article, go ahead and say what it is. Choose something that is actually in the article, not something that you just made up.

Sunday January 18, 2004
Concerning the List of American Values article:
This nation was founded on well... on life liberty and the persuit of happiness. the bill of rights and freedoms preserves the american ideal. Remember the constitution, and God bless Amerika
--Mark
rome_87@crapmail.com

Wednesday December 10, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
This is a very important, and -- in my not-so-humble opinion -- slightly flawed exercise. You hold that someone who holds genuinely American values:
"Wants America to have lots of flexible options for energy sources"
Well, this seems like a good thing in general, but what is "American" about it? If we believe that American values entail "a free field and no favor", then let's see what initiative and entrepreneurship come up with! If one source of energy -- geothermal, hydrocarbon, whatever, proves definitely superior, in a free market with all externalities accounted for, then by all means, let's let everyone use it.
"Believes in the sanctity of human life. Opposes government-sponsored killing programs such as war and capital punishment."
I see what you're going for here, and I support it. But look out for those folks who think abortion is murder! The "sanctity of life" is their motto.
"Patriotism involves wanting the best for all Americans and demanding the best government in the world."
What?? This is sheer mush. Who decides what is the "best"? A Marxist worldview indicates a very different kind of "best". American values are predicated upon natural law. We don't need the "best" government, we need a true government, a government that derives its authority from respect for fundamental human rights.
Other than that, I agree with you 100%!
--Lindy Davies
lindy@henrygeorge.org
The publisher replies:
Thank you for writing and for making intelligent comments on the article. To respond to your points:
(1) I want people to have lots of flexible options for energy sources. That's an American value, but I never said it was exclusive. It would be great if everyone on Earth felt this way.
(2) You say "look out" for those who think abortion is murder. But I do not feel threatened by them, they don't change my belief in the sanctity of human life. If someone believes that an unborn fetus is a person, then they should consider abortion to be murder. If someone believes that an unborn fetus is not a person, then they should consider abortion to be something other than murder.
(3) You say that "wanting the best" is sheer mush. I agree with you that opinions differ about what is best, yet that is still what I want for America. If we had a big national discussion about what is best, that itself would be very healthy. I wish more Americans demanded the best government, instead of settling for one that is tainted by corruption, lying, greed, incompetence, violence and other negatives. It is more American to insist on the best government than meekly to accept one of low quality.

Tuesday December 9, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
This is an interesting article that I stumbled upon. However, I don't agree with it completely. I have to ask why favoring the "war on drugs" would be anti-American? While an individual may have the right to use abusive substances in their private home, I don't believe that same individual has the right to introduce an abusive substance to anyone else, especially to the children that are all too often targeted. A generalized part of the agenda for the "war on drugs" is to remove drugs from the streets making each neighborhood better. So why is wanting a better life anti-American?
Also, I was wondering where you gathered the information to compile these lists. I don't what your writing experience is, but it's been a time-tested practice that in order to truly deliver accurate arguments a paper should never seem to favor one side over another. Your "report" clearly goes against this. I would find this to be more credible if you weren't attacking groups of people (i.e. those who may fall into your anti-American category). It would be interesting to actually have a poll taken concerning the values stated here.
--Julie
docjules420@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
The "war on drugs" is in fact not a war on drugs, but a war against civil liberties, run by a corrupt racket. If they really wanted to fight against drugs, then they would have changed strategies after years and years of failure, right? Please look into this topic further and you may be surprised by what you find. I also recommend that you look at the history of drug prohibition and at the experience of other nations.
In your second paragraph you imply that an article should not favor American characteristics over anti-American characteristics. Sorry, I disagree. And what do you mean by attack? I don't see what you're talking about. Be specific.

Sunday November 30, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
My initial reaction to this article was: "Wow, so there is actually some hope left for the United States afterall... maybe people will stop reinforcing labels created by the government and start thinking critically and on a more global scale..."
However, after reading just a few of the responses to the article, I realize that I was wrong. Close-minded ideas seem to be more deeply-rooted in people's minds than I intially thought. While I agree with almost the entire article, I am worried about whether or not this message will actually get through to people. The article only seems to be recognized as legitimate by those who already had the same point of view. For others, it goes in on ear and out the other, and they bring up arguements completely unrelated to the article itself.
--Rhonda
world-traveler
The publisher replies:
The hope that you and I share for the United States needs to be expressed, in every possible forum, via all sorts of media, over and over. When you express your views you make it safer for others who have similar views.
Don't pin your hopes on how other people seem to react to something. Just keep on bringing your own views out into the open, no matter what the reaction, and as a result you will be a great positive force for the good of all.
Thanks for writing. Don't stop.

Wednesday November 26, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
This is certainly an interesting statement concerning the view of one individual. The attributes of an American would certainly be great if some in our society had remembered them when Bill Clinton was president. His actions spoke volumns about his belief about being an American. This concept of living in a multi-religous society sounds really wonderful accept some "American" want to deny Christans their "right" to have their beliefs. The concept of free speech is really something to look forward to when the "Americans" let all people speak free and not call it "hate speech" or "you're just imposing your feeling on us". This imposing of "who to like and associate with" seems to have become a one way street in this country. There is more divison and fear in the people today due to those who call themselves concerned and fair Americans. I would call upon Mr. Beck to do some reading of true history - not the revisionist information put in textbooks today. Love and acceptance can only be part of this society when those who want to impose their thinking on all is stopped. We have laws that if enforced then all can live together in harmony.
--Myles Beckum
myder_bon@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
A little further down the Letters page, in another letter, you complain that by reacting to a letter I am somehow guilty of "imposing." But now in this letter you complain about people who complain that others are "imposing." I hope you will find a way to resolve this argument between yourself and yourself without it escalating into violence.
I favor freedom of speech. I said so in the article. You appear to agree but then go on an excursion against Bill Clinton and people who accuse you of hate speech. That seems not to be connected to anything that is actually written in the article.

Tuesday November 25, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Right on you guys. Spread the message to the peoples.
--Cory S Stanton
corndoglikesska@hotmail.com

Saturday November 8, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Sorry, but I don't buy all your tests for patriotism. How do you figure you can define the term for all of us? A Patriot is one who opposes capital punishment? Come on! That's just an item on your own personal agenda. A person is a patriot because he opposes sales tax? Those are just the things you believe in, and frankly I share most of your beliefs. But those are political stances that have nothing to do with patriotism. A patriot is a person loyal, to death if necessary, to his country. Loyalty is the key consideration. People who criticize their country's leadership in time of war and national peril are hardly patriots, no matter what spin is put on their actions. They are simply traitors, giving aid and comfort to the enemy. If a person thinks the country would be better off if the enemy defeats us, he falls short of patriotism. If he publicly expresses those views, he encourages the enemy to continue his attacks on us because he now has reason to question our resolve. You can certainly criticize Bill O'Reilly--I'm not too crazy about him, myself--but you're way off base on your ideas about patriotism.
--Don Carsten
mosiah2@aol.com
The publisher replies:
Thank you for your opinions.
The article never claimed to define the term for all of us. You seem to be mistakenly complaining about that, and also attempting to do a bit of it yourself.
I recommend that you study the difference between loyalty, which is patriotic, and blind loyalty, which is a terrible disservice.
The article does not mention nor criticize anyone named Bill O'Reilly.

Tuesday November 4, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Very interesting... How ironic that if people prevent anti-americans from expressing their views, they themselves become anti-americans.
--Michelle
Utah
The publisher replies:
Ironic? Perhaps. But censorship and suppression are not part of our American heritage. For instance, when big-government bureaucrats try to intimidate or suppress the expression of alternative viewpoints, they are behaving in an anti-American way.

Tuesday October 14, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
good
--ashish
ashuisleo

Saturday October 4, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Thoughts are mirrors in the soul, for nothing is quite like the human soul on fire....
--Isadora Duncan
bastetdancer@yahoo.com

Tuesday September 23, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I think American characteristics also include speaking out and speaking up when injustices occur or rights of others are threatened, and working with others to achieve goals (like working within the context of the U.N. when international issues arise).
--K. Isaacson
browsercat@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
Excellent points. Thank you!

Monday September 22, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Yes, my friend, I too relish the thought of a world where no one would want an abortion. I applaud your suggestion that we, as a world society, take steps to minimize unwanted pregancies. However, unfortunately, I think you and I both know that we very likely will never eliminate them completely. There will always be, to one degree or another, some occurrence of unwanted pregnancies. If you are saying that a small number of abortions performed each year would be acceptable, I have to disagree. As a person that sees each and every human life as precious, unique, and beyond my ability to assign value I must say that each abortion conducted is truly a tragedy.
I certainly do realize that not everyone agrees that abortion is plainly wrong. There would be no national rift on the issue if that were not the case! I will not try to persuade you on that point. It is an argument that is far beyond the scope of our tiny discourse here. The only thing I can say to you is when I go home tonight and look into the beautiful, beautiful eyes of my son and hear his great big laugh, there is no question in my mind on the issue. Simply because a woman, for whatever reason, does not want to proceed with her pregnancy takes nothing away from the true preciousness and value of the life inside her. Therein, I think I have found another area we can agree on. The amount of support available to women involved with crisis and/or unwanted pregnancies needs to be drastically increased. Along with this, welfare programs must be designed to better provide for families that have gone ahead with such pregnancies.
Finally, yes, you are right. Your article never mentions liberal or conservative. However, I think that the attributes defined in your article as "American" and "anti-American" can easily be identified with liberals and conservatives respectively in the USA (at least from a liberal partisan's point of view). Also, your article was prepared partially as a response to GW Bush's (a conservative) attempts to define what it is to be anti-American. I don't think it was too much of a logical leap for me to make the connection that I did. I apologize if I misinterpreted your intentions.
--Matt
llowwelll@yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
I am not claiming that your jump to think that my article dealt with so-called liberals and so-called conservatives was terrible. I just wanted to emphasize that it was your jump. It is fine with me if you want to talk about liberals and conservatives. In my article I did not. It is also fine with me if you want to talk about abortion, but once again, let me point out that you are not responding to any pro-abortion or anti-abortion assertions made in my article or in my response to your earlier letter, because there were none!

Monday September 22, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Dear Mr. Beck, good job. This arcticle is an intelligent approach to world peace. More specifically it should help explain what I refer to as "blind patriotism". When you wrote " Patriotism means asserting that the U.S. government is already the best and brooks no criticism."(anti-american) You had explained my coined-phrase. But after reading every response posted and re-reading the article, there seems to be one flaw. Assuming that you were trying to be nuetral, did you realize that the anti-american characteristics are on the right side of the article? Obviosly this is going to upset conservatives and seem liberal. My point being that if the article was in paragraph form, a right-winger wouldn't look to the right column and read anti-american! Don't get me wrong, i'm as nuetral as possible but many people are divided. I agree with every word, Mr. Beck but some people associate WHERE the info is with WHAT it's all about.
--Chris D
cdsk8r1@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
I reject the so-called right vs. left distinction. That false distinction serves only to divide people and to heighten conflicts and differences. When that happens, guess who benefits? Neither "right" nor "left" but only the unjust status quo.
If readers want to imagine something based on a table with two columns, I won't stop them.
If you want a distinction that means a lot more than the obsolete attempt to divide people into "right" and "left," take a look at what the Green Party of Canada is talking about. The Greens, famous for being "neither right nor left but out in front," have proposed a "green versus grey" distinction as better capturing the important differences in perspective that matter today. Green -- the forward-thinking, ecological, justice-oriented approach, and grey -- the short-term, narrow-minded, polluting, xenophobic approach.
If you must focus on distinctions and divisions, I suggest that one is rather interesting.

Sunday September 21, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Great dissection of the term "American values" and illumination of the dichotomy that has arisen between conservatives and liberals. I am truly rankled by the way conservatives have skewed and perverted what it means to be American. I completely agree that it is "American" to uphold the sanctity of life. I am, as the list outlines, steadfastly opposed to capital punishment and unjust wars. However, it is has always struck me as odd and very out of line with liberal principles that liberals in this country have come to support abortion. Abortion is certainly killing. I would love to support the liberal agenda. I agree with nearly everything it espouses with one glaring, damning exception; abortion. I can find no way, though I have tried, to justify abortion in my mind. There is simply no justification for it. It is plainly and without question, wrong. While the rights of women to choose are very important, the serious and life-altering inconvenience of an unwanted or unfortunate pregnancy and childbirth can never trump an unborn child's right to life. It is with considerable pain, then, that I find myself time and again forced to vote for a conservative that will work to end abortion than for a liberal with whom I almost completely agree. I have no idea how pro-choice became a liberal mantlepiece issue. As long as it is, and the lives of millions of innocent, unborn children continue to be snuffed out each year, I can not in good conscience vote Democratic.
--Matt
llowwelll@yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
You say that abortion is "plainly and without question, wrong." However, hundreds of millions of other people find it not plain at all. Are you trying to convince them in the same way that you became convinced?
Why not focus some of your attention on minimizing unwanted pregnancies, which is an issue where all people are already in agreement? I envision a world where no one would ever want an abortion. I invite you to try a vision like that.
You mention "liberal" and "conservative" a lot in your letter. That is fine, but let me point out that those terms were never used in the original article. If you want to regard the article that way, you can, but it is your own imagining.
You end by saying that you cannot in good conscience vote Democratic. That is fine, but let me point out that the original article never mentions any political parties by name. If you want to regard the article that way, you can, but it is your own imagining.

Monday September 8, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I want to congratulate the conservatives and the Bush administration, for its quick and successfull military victories in Afganistan and Iraq using Clinton's military. Thank GOD Clinton was for a strong military, pumped it up, and made it second to none on the world.
--Robert AndrewsJr.
andrewsr3@core.com

Monday September 1, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I whole heartly agree.
However, If we truely believe in the sanctity of human life, then abortion must be opposed. If left to nature an embryo will grow into an elder. The basic question is do you choose life(growth) or death(stagnation). On a fundamental level, if you take humans out if nature, nature will continue to grow. If we take nature away from the human spieces we will cease to exsist. To believe in the sanctity of human life means to align our selves with nature/growth.
As for the second part, opposes government-sponsored killing programs such as war, this is much to simplistic. Do you oppose the 1st or 2nd world war. Don't we have the right to defend ourselves or the rule of law. This past war is a continuation of the first gulf war, where Saddam should have been removed for attacking another nation for the second time. Why wasn't he removed from power in the first gulf war? The UN didn't want it. What was Saddams response? To slaughter thousands in the north and the south. Isn't the blood of those thousands on our hands as well? The UN passes resolution after resolution, Saddam just defies them. At what point do we say enough. Part of being a good American, as my father continually hammered, is to do what is right. Notice I didn't say do what is right for me, just do what is right. Sometimes what is right for me and what is right aren't always the same, and I don't believe many understand the difference these days.
I also believe that one more item should be added to the left column. A true American treats each and every individual they encounter with the same respect that the feel that they themselves should recieve. It makes for a bettr world.
--Will King
wking70477@aol.com

Saturday August 30, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Such a simplistic utopian view point.
--Jim Himes
HimesMedia2002@msn.com
The publisher replies:
What in the world are you talking about? Be specific.

Monday August 25, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
It's sadly amusing that our politicians fall nearly exclusively under your anti-american category.
--Fear N Sam
FearNSam@yahoo.com

Wednesday August 6, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Against welfare systems, even those that protect the wealthy.
--Christian Zimmerman
ZimmermanC@excite.com
The publisher replies:
Corporate welfare is a much bigger budget item than welfare for poor individuals. For lots more information, visit the Corporate Welfare Shame Site or use the Corporate Welfare Search Engine.

Monday August 4, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Thanks for spreading your ideology as truth. Your freedom to confuse opinion with universal values is what makes America great. Of course, it also allows you to consider other points of view. Try it. Stick a band-aid on that bleeding heart, will you?
--Seymour Liberals
progress=regression@freespeech.com
The publisher replies:
I notice that you completely failed to make even one counterargument against any of the points in the article.
Study more, and type less, until you are capable of making a response that someone might take seriously.

Saturday July 19, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I wish you would define "Corporate welfare" as opposed to public welfare i.e. helping out someone who is down on their luck!
--J.Renay
Flasheshell@aol.com
The publisher replies:
Just visit http://www.progress.org/banneker/cw.html and you will see exactly what Corporate Welfare is all about.

Sunday July 13, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I looked at your web site and conclude that you are playing the same game that you acuse O'Reilly and the Fox News of playing.I have seen the Fox news and have seen O'Reilly. They appear to be fair as they air both sides of the issues. I don't under stand your issue. Please explain. Open my eyes to details and specifics. Did you know O'Reilly is a hard core environmentalist? He may be on your side and you don't even know it.
--Walter
Walterssnature@aol.com
The publisher replies:
I have never made any accusation against O'Reilly or Fox News. Whoever told you otherwise, is pulling your leg or else lying to you.

Friday June 20, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I thought this was a brilliantly thought out piece of work, although I don't agree with everything stated in it. One piece of criticism, however; the constitution says nothing about economic system. At one point, you say that people have the freedom of speech, freedom of religion. Both of these imply freedom of choice however. You also state, that in order to be a patriot, one needs to be a capitalist. This seems like a contradiction to me. Now, America has fought wars against other economic systems before, but this doesn't mean that it's anti-american to believe in something besides capitalism. I'd love to hear back. send emails
--Matt
Matthew_Tansey@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
I don't see anything in the article that claims that the U.S. Constitution specifies a particular economic system.
Also, it is not true that the article claims one needs to be capitalist in order to be a patriot. In fact, the article mentions capitalism one time only, in the section where it suggests that corporate welfare, special privileges and other such government manipulations are anti-American in nature.

Thursday June 5, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Your response to mrogers@ucla.edu makes very little sense. What else would a fetus be, it not a person? It's not a plant or a puppy. Also, to the many people unable to have children who want to adopt, there is no such thing as an unwanted pregnancy.
--Susan Willis
n/a
The publisher replies:
Having an opinion on an issue does not extinguish that issue. Making up your own mind on something does not automatically settle it for everyone else in the world.
If you truly believe that there is no question of the personhood/nonpersonhood status of a fetus, then you are missing a great deal of what is going on in the world.
If you truly believe that in this world an unwanted pregnancy never occurs, then you are missing a great deal of what is going on in the world.

Saturday May 31, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
We should hold these truths to be self-evident.
--RF Miller
robertfrancismiller@msn.com

Friday May 30, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Yes I agree. This is a very good description of what it is to be an American. Unfortunatly most people who like being told what to do and what to believe and have no desire to think for themselves have accepted the latter description for defining what it is to be an American. It's time to learn how to think for ourselves and realize that we are being taken for a ride by a corrupt system run by people who have usurped our government and who will say anything and do anything to promote their agenda. I liked your response to mrogers@ucla.edu concerning the question of the sanctity of life and abortion. Dealing with the reason's why there are unwanted pregnancy's is the real issue.
--James Hernandez
mail@itsallalie.com

Wednesday May 28, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
an american believes in the sanctity of life. i agree with that. does that mean that an american opposes abortion? i would think that it would logically follow that they would. however, this comparison is obviously very liberally oriented, and i am sure that liberals do not want to give up their "right" to have abortions. any comments?
--michael
mrogers@ucla.edu
The publisher replies:
If you think that a fetus is a person, then abortion would seem like murder. If you think that a fetus is not a person, then abortion would not seem like murder.
If you want to be divisive, focus on that. But if you want to help people, then focus on achieving a world where there is no such thing as an unwanted pregnancy.

Tuesday May 20, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I agree with you 100% and am glad that someone took the time to define what it is to be an American. I am sick and tire d fo people over-using the terms liberal & conservative, for they have overused theses two words. It's a tug & war type of thing going on these days. I am sick of it. I am an American and my ancestors helped build this country and died for our freedoms. People need to stop all this fighting among ourselves for the rich ( Bush, Cheney, etc.... ) are getting richer and are sitting back and laughing at us all acting like a much of jackasses . We need to pull together as a people and fight to keep our freedoms not give them up for a little bit of so called protection. Also I would like to think you for letting people know that Semitic Peoples are Arabs as well as Jews. People were called Semites because of the Semitic tongue they spoke. Am I correct?
--Deborah
sturmdeborah46@cs.com
The publisher replies:
The Semitic languages are fairly closely related, that's for sure. Semitic people celebrate various religious faiths. Some people consider Semitic people to constitute a "race." I'm not sure -- and usually, neither are they -- about what exactly that is supposed to mean. There is exactly one "race," the human race, and we're all in it together.

Tuesday May 20, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Glad to see an American outlining what it really is to be American. Maybe you could go over the constitution line by line to remind people.
I always thought Freedom of Speech was what it was to BE an American, but lately it seems anyone that has an opionion is Anti-American. I think it's wrong to be penalized for speaking your mind. I understood the main thing that defines Cuba from America according to Barbara Walters is the USA's Freedom of Speech, and that seems to be getting stomped out lately for some reason. ~Just one person's view.
--right to speak
here@there.com

Sunday May 18, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I found your website via a link on a very anti American values website called www.oreilly-sucks.com a website dedicated to bashing Fox News personality Bill O'Reilly. This website has called for Fox News to be banned in Great Britain. (use of a G.B. law that can censor TV channels if they are bias in their news reports)
Now I know that you guys disagree with some of his views, but the bottom line is that you cannot be honest and credible in your support of 'freedom of speech throughout society' if you allow www.oreilly-sucks.com to hijack your views and use them in support of censorship. That hidious website has a link directly to this article.
Besides freedom of speech you cannot be honest and credible in your support of economic freedom as well. You are against government intrusion in commerce, yet the people who run www.oreilly-sucks.com advocate for government intrusion in commerce by trying to get Fox News banned in Great Britain.
In a free and open market place for goods, services, ideas, information and entertainment shouldn't the consumer be allowed to decide what brand and type of media he or she wants to purchase and consume?
You guys have to order the operators of www.oreilly-sucks.com to remove their link to your wesite or else you will be undermining the very American principles that you stand for.
Go to www.oreilly-sucks.com and you will understand why I would spend 15mins writing this comment to you.
--Jonathan Mo
mojo181@hotmail.com

Wednesday May 14, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
You are out of touch with the real world. And you do not correctly portray O'reilly. Why don't you face him and debate him if you truly think your view is correct. (ans. because your view is wrong) I will not give my email to avoid future spams.
--Bob Coleman
xxx@xxx.com
The publisher replies:
You are badly mistaken. The article does not "portray" O'Reilly at all! It was not even written with O'Reilly in mind. Whoever told you otherwise was pulling your leg, and you fell for it.

Tuesday May 13, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I found the article wonderful. I'm currently living in Switzerland as an exchange student, and have been often asked if I'm anti-American or not. It's been difficult trying to explain how I am not anti-american but at the same time not supportive of our governments every action.
Your suggestions to the definitions as pro and anti American hit each of the main points I've been trying to express. Well done.
--Christina Lizzi
cinadiane@hotmail.com

Monday May 12, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
an interesting set of ideas...having the usual blinders on for liberal weak spots, like abortion...and typical limp wristed attitude that "understanding" leads to a better world (care to ask the holocaust survivors if they needed to understand hitler any better?)...I don't mind people disagreeing with govt policies or actions...what angers people like me is the basic assumption most liberals seem to have that if America is doing it, it must be wrong, and if there is a problem in the world, we must have caused it. I had the same childish notions before living in Africa for four years. Now I know we have the highest standard of living, with more personal, religious and political freedom, that any other country or at any other point in the history of the world. That liberals don't see this, and constantly portray America as a land of poverty and injustice convinces me that they basically just love to hate America. Most of this is unresolved anger at parent/authority figures in people who missed the 60s and need some cause to identify with. Grow up. Go live in the third world and then complain.
--bjones
bjones4@triad.rr.com
The publisher replies:
The article did not mention abortion, yet you are complaining about the article's views on that subject. Sounds like you need to actually read the article instead of making things up out of thin air.
You make some very simple mistakes, such as thinking that "understanding" is the same thing as "nothing but understanding" -- try to be more careful.
The article didn't say anything about "if America is doing it, it must be wrong" so that too seems to be your own made up fantasy. If you want your views to be taken seriously, you should address actual statements that the article made, instead of just making up your own pretend versions of them.

Monday May 12, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
It is unfair to call this man a "right wing, republican" when in fact, he is a political independent. His views may lean towards the conservitive, yet his stance on strong government is far more liberal. Maybe you folks should try to be a bit more "fair and balanced". Not everyone is so one sided.
--Georgiana
Silver_georgia_peach@yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
What in the world are you talking about? The article does not call anyone a "right wing republican" and does not use such terms!
Instead of just making things up out of thin air, you should actually read the article. If you want to be taken seriously, you have to talk about reality, not your own fantasies.

Saturday May 10, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I find it interesting the views you have of Bill O'Reilly and your claim of his 'one-sidenesss'. But you don't seem to be able to complain about any specific comment or claim. You seem content to rely on broad generalities and your opinions without citing specific examples. As a retired analyst I have to tell you that that weakens your argument (such as it is) and does require considerable work on your part (if it can be fixed at all). Stuart Sahl CTI2 USN (ret)
--Stuart Sahl
steeler39@juno.com
The publisher replies:
You are badly mistaken. The article was not about Bill O'Reilly. The author does not know Bill O'Reilly and has never seen nor heard his show. Somebody must be pulling your leg!

Tuesday May 6, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
O'reilly is a self-serving, self-appointed judge and jury of the American way. The sad thing is that so many people are willing to buy into his crap. It says a lot for the right wing, they are non thinkers that need some one like O'reilly to tell them how to think. If memory serves, Hitler tapped into that kind of blind nationalism. The appeal is to the same type of mentality.. white supremacy! It is indicative of how far this country needs to go to be truly a free society.
--Graham Selby
Grselby@aol.com

Monday May 5, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
When I said that I found the article offensive, I was not suggesting any particular section of the article. I found it offensive that the article was written in the first place. This was my entire point which I unfortunately did not make entirely clear. I simply do not think it is right to call someone anti-American if they do not mind "government intrusion in commerce, such as tariffs or sales taxes" for example. They might believe that government intrusion in commerce will benefit the American people the most. This would be pro-American behavior even though it follows under the anti-American side. Let me reiterate thet even though it wasn't a "book-length manuscript", you still managed to include an awfully wide range of anti and pro American behaviors when I believe that the ONLY thing that makes someone anti or pro American is whether or not they are concerned with the best interests of the American people.
--Michael O.
md_oberg@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
Thank you for clarifying.

Monday May 5, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
What does this have to do with O'Riley? He stands behind our country 100% And he beleives in "One nation under God". Are you really that desperate for media news?
--n/a
n/a
The publisher replies:
What a strange letter. I never said the article had anything to do with "O'Riley." And what do you mean by "media news"?

Monday May 5, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I feel that we are so fortunate to live in a country where we can voice our opinions and not be persecuted by the government for it. However, that won't stop others from persecuting us for our opinions. In modern American society, we have ventured further from intelligent, respectable conversation to petty criticizing. The freedom we enjoy was not given to us so we could argue. There is an impressive spectrum of political views in this country, and even though I don't agree with some of them , all of these views result in compromise, not tirades. What I am saying is that I find this article to be offensive. What gives you the authority to take a complicated social construct and turn it into a black and white situation? We all need to remember that we all have different political opinions because we all believe that different things are the best for the country. But it all comes down to the fact that we want what is best for the country. That is what being an American is. You said it yourself that "Patriotism involves wanting the best for all Americans". I feel that this is all that is required to be an American.
--Michael O.
md_oberg@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
Thanks for your comments. It seems we agree on a lot.
You say the article offended you, but you failed to cite a single passage. You appear to claim that the article oversimplifies, turning a "complicated social construct" into something "black and white"? If that's what you think, then give an example. Go ahead. I won't be surprised -- this was, after all, just an article, not a book-length manuscript.

Sunday May 4, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
FYI: America is a continent. That means Canadians are Americans, and so are Latin Americans. Appropriating the name American and defining it to mean only citizens of the United States is just another example of "American" ignorance and pomposity.
--argexpat
atnla@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
Sure, that's fine, wonderful. But when communicating with other people, it's a good idea to use terms that people generally understand in the same way. Generally speaking, Canadians do not call themselves Americans and use that term to refer to United States people. Other Americans generally refer to themselves as North American, South American, Latin American, etc. You do not have to like that. But you won't be a very successful communicator if you pretend that is not the case.
Here's another one for you -- since Israelis and Arabs both are mostly Semites, the term 'anti-Semitic' should refer to actions that go against both. But it doesn't. You can keep adding such things to your list of complaints. Have fun.

Sunday May 4, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I think you are wrong. Although I do respect yours, as well as everyone else's opinions, I strongly feel quite differently. I will first say that I am an O'reilly fan. But that is not why I am writing. I am writing to give you my opinion on your American characteristics and anti American characteristics. Obviously, you are a liberal, and those views are from a liberal point of view. Any conservative will have a different list of characteristics. You are merely wording things differently in order to accommodate a liberal point of view. I just thought you should know that many people reading this feel the way I do.
--T. Bagala
Krisofsac@aol.com
The publisher replies:
There are Americans who are liberal and Americans who are conservative. But there's only one America.
Which part of the article do you think is "wrong"? The part that says Americans deserve the best possible government? The part that says Americans believe in free speech? A right to privacy? Diversity of religious views?
You did not cite even one American value that you agree with or disagree with.

Friday May 2, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
You believe in the sanctity of human life, yet you don't extend that privilege to the babies of the United States. You and people like Sen. Boxer would allow children to be murdered up to a month after being brought home. This kind of hypocracy is sickening, not patriotic. And, heaven forbid Americans should have a war on drugs. Instead, lets let gateway drugs like marijuana be considered victimless private behavior. I am a school teacher who has watched numerous students find their ways into the rehab centers and jails. Allowing their little "victimless" weed habit isn't patriotic either. It's just stupidity.
--James S. Spencer
jimspen99@papadocs.com
The publisher replies:
The article did not mention abortion or allowing "children to be murdered." So you just made up your own fantasy about the author's opinions and attacked that. If you want to be taken seriously, then instead of making things up, you should address points that were actually in the article.

Friday May 2, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I agree 100%. Also the spreading of views like" ..the American people don't care if weapons of mass destruction are found." is just another ploy to break the American spirit. I accuse Bush of creating the most devisive atmosphere in these United States and again believing that compared to Clinton we should kowtow to him and be thankful.
--Thomas Cardona
t.cardona@sbcglobal.net

Friday May 2, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I DON'T THINK SOLDIER CAPTURED IN IRAQ ARE HEROES. THEY ARE JUST EMPLOYEES OF THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT DOING THEIR JOB. IF THEY WERE REALLY HEROES THEY WOULDN'T ALL BE CRYING TO COME HOME. THE JOBS NOT DONE YET.
--T FERREIRA
FTOMMONEY@AOL
The publisher replies:
Give us some examples of people who you do consider heroic.

Thursday May 1, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
what makes hanno beck an authority on my values!!?
--jack pardue
slbkpl@aol.com
The publisher replies:
Sorry, but the author of the article never claimed to be an authority on your values.

Wednesday April 30, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I was beginning to feel that my idea of patriotism was quite warped---compared to the views shown on the mass media. I am so very pleased to see there are those who are like-minded regarding the real meaning of being a TRUE AMERICAN. It seems we have no real voice in the media. It is frustrating.
--Grace Royal
JR12812

Tuesday April 29, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
As a Swede living in United States I believe that anybody who is a US Citizen is an American and I strongly disagree with your definitions of who is an American or Anti American. Nobody is completely right all the time and nobody is completely wrong all the time. Your comment about understanding people and to help them sounds nice but it may be difficult to separate the people who need help from the "Users" who can do you harm. To quote Winston Churchill, "The malice of the wicked is reinforced by the weakness of the virtuos".
--Gunilla Eckert
gunilla@eckertmedgas.com
The publisher replies:
I agree with you that anybody who is a US citizen is an American. Regardless of nationality, a person can have characteristics or values that correspond to American values -- and some have more of these characteristics than others.
I also agree with you that "nobody is completely right all the time and nobody is completely wrong all the time," and nothing in the article claimed otherwise.
It may indeed be difficult, as you say, to separate two kinds of people, since most people are mixtures. Are you trying to do that? I'm not. I'm keeping my eyes open about real distinctions that bear on Americanism, distinctions that America cannot afford to ignore.

Tuesday April 29, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I recently was in a diner with my father and we were discussing what has been said by the current administration in regards to justification for war, we both have been leaning away from the idea that the war was justified for different reasons that i wont get into right now. I look up to see a man probably in his mid thirties or so looking over my fathers shoulder at me. I asked him if he needed something and his reply was something to the affect of"You anti-american ****!If you wont support our troops and president maybe you should jump on the first plane to Iraq". My father and I no longer feel safe having discussions on current affairs in public. Technically we still have the freedom of speech, but do we? I have since heard various leaders calling for anti war protestors to be treated as treasonists, others have stated that the protests have put the troops in danger. The troops are in danger just being there. Has our nation ever been this divided? Freedom of speech is also feeling safe to express your own opinions. We look over our shoulders if and when we ever discuss our political views,If we are fighting to give the Iraqis these freedoms,im wondering whos fighting to protect mine.
--jeremy
texas

Tuesday April 29, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Great list- Republican platform on left, Dems on the right - That is a switch
--Goerge
cghelo@yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
If you find it that way, fine. Personally I don't see much similarity between the list given in the article, and either the Republican or Democratic party platforms.

Monday April 28, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Great Article, it proves that most right-wingers (especially Bill O'Reilly) are un-american.
--Stewert
sss_2333@yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
Glad you liked it, but the article is meant more as a clarifying tool than as a proof. If you find it to be useful, that's great.

Friday April 25, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
You were doing pretty well until the last staement. Where do you recommend the government get funding from if not taxes and tarriffs? Unless you are singling out sales tax as particularly regressive? As for tarriffs, we don;t play in a fair world and the issue is way more complicated than can be discussed in a few lines.
--Peter Mulholland
peterm59@aol.com
The publisher replies:
I agree that the issue of tax abolition is more complex than can be covered in just a few lines. Let me briefly recommend two things -- one, that you run some searches at the Ask Henry specialized search engine and you'll find lots of superior alternatives to taxation, and two, that you remember that stealing is wrong and unAmerican.

Friday April 25, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Sounds like you don't have your facts straigt. I just read this for the first time and it sounds to me that Bush and most right-winged conservatives are on the American Characteristics side. I also think it's just as American to have you own oppinion, and further more being on either side of that list doesn't mean you are Anti-american or not. Being Anti-american is hating America and the freedom that it yeilds to it's citizens. Being Anti-american is working against freedom, not holding an opinion. Besides the statements you listed on the Anti-american side sound like the ideas of an uninformed person.
--Adam
whateva@your.wrong.com
The publisher replies:
You complain about facts, but all you give is a series of opinions. Go ahead and cite one factual error, if you can.

Friday April 25, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
In the anti-american category, the best way to lead people is not so much to be powerful, as to make the people fearful.
--dan
insipid1@aol.com

Friday April 25, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
This is a great article. I find it alarming that terms like patriotism and un-American, anti-American are tossed around so flippantly. When people get angered, I ask them, "what is the specific part that you thing is unpatriotic" and they have no clue/reply.
I think there are 2 basic reasons for this. The first is that they trust the government as Bush has given the appearance of trying.
This is a serious mistake as one of the core american values is the protection of the rights of the individual over the state. We dont want to go the way of the ancient Spartans.
The second is that americans generally would like to believe that they are good people and if they acknowledge this 'terror war' was a mistake, then they also have to acknowledge that it is a stroke of great evil which effectively means that we are all collectively evil. Most americans would bridle at the suggestion that they are in anyway evil.
Because of these reasons, the war effort has become really personal in the lives of people. And thats the reason why they are giving Bush so much leeway and support as his reasons go from nuclear weapons to WMD to regime change to liberation to containing fundamentalists.
And all the while we are breeding more neo conservative fundamentalists/jingoists right here at home.
A great leader once said "I may not agree with you, but I will fight for your right to say it". I am hoping that we can live in such times once again.
--Venu
venuzr@hotmail.com

Friday April 25, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Although a couple of the entries are too clever by half ('sanctity of life' gets a novel use but that phrase cuts both ways), I'm happy to see that people have put some thought into the qualities that distinguish democratic and tolerant folks from the other kind. I think a lot of the problem we have now is with those who favor the imposition of corporate authoritarianism over individual freedoms, or those who are suspicious of, or frightened by, individuality and freedom of conscience.
Some people just can't stand the idea that others don't agree with them and value being different. These authoritarian personalities are frightened by 'otherness' and therefore can't understand or tolerate the 'otherness' of foreign cultures and countries. They are suspicious of anything different or unfamiliar, and likely to engage in the reassuring rituals and traditions of their tribal group, which lend a sense of security to their lives. There is a distince emphasis on unquestioning belief in 'first principles' and 'original texts' which are allegedly the product of divinities or authorities of unquestioned power and judgment.
--Jon Koppenhoefer
jonkopp@glasscity.net

Thursday April 24, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Hanno,
You left out abortion. At least we could call it baby killing and still keep it legal - cause only certain Americans beliece in the sanctity of all human life.
"Believes in the sanctity of human life. Opposes government-sponsored killing programs such as war and capital punishment."
Other than that dig your list.
Let's just keep in mind there are not just 2 options to every thing, but many.
Best, Dave
--David Keller
frostydk@msn.com
The publisher replies:
I agree that most issues are multi-sided and it is a dangerous oversimplification to try to think of them only as two-sided.
I doubt that abortion is an issue where Americans and anti-Americans are clearly separated. It is a basic American value to oppose the killing of a person. If a fetus is a person, then it is easy to oppose abortion. If a fetus is not a person, then it is easy to favor freedom of choice.
I think there are plenty of good Americans who differ in definitions of fetus-hood and person-hood. (This also means that a "solution" to the abortion topic is not to be found by tweaking the definition of a fetus, but by focusing on a related issue that transcends this one -- for instance, focusing on establishing a world so full of fairness, opportunity, freedom and empowerment, that there is no such thing as an unwanted pregnancy. That is a wonderful goal that all human beings should favor.)

Thursday April 24, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
You place too much faith in an economic system that, through its mandated disregard for all but the bottom line, undercuts almost completely the other concepts here expressed. Unregulated capitalism is zero sum- some win, some lose. The argument is that this is "fair", which it is in concept. Unfortunately, the system exists in reality, which means that the complex of factors we call society gives previous winners a head start. Mr. Beck needs to resolve this paradox in his worldview through modification of either his faith in economic survival of the fittest or his otherwise leftist ideals. Please do so or you will merely be perpetuating all that you wish to oppose, and doing so in a manner that spreads disinformation harmful to those who would affect meaningful change. Any response would be welcome.
--Randy Thompson
stephent@usc.edu
The publisher replies:
Did the article propose "unregulated capitalism"? That's news to me. Please quote the actual part that you object to.
As for giving "previous winners a head start," that sounds like a bad idea, but don't make correcting all past wrongs into a prerequisite for doing something for today's people and tomorrow's children. I am much more concerned about establishing justice for the present moment and for all future moments, than worried about past injustices.

Thursday April 24, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I am angered by the lack of "balanced" reporting that I have recently seen on network television newsprogramming. Since when has it become "unpatriotic" to criticize the government?
The networks are being led by cowards.
--Todd
tsmith@ohs-375.org

Thursday April 24, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I have been trying to tell my family(some) that by opposing this war, I was in fact, backing our troops...we have lost our truth and our freedom of speech. This country is in a mess!!!!
--Shirley Kittrell
kdekitt@aol.com

Thursday April 24, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I wish someone would ask O'Reilly - in person - what his excuse was for evading the draft during the Vietnam Conflict.
--John Stern
fjstern@aol.com

Wednesday April 23, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I guess abortion isn't killing,oh yea,the left considers a human not born yet as an it or thing,as the right wins more,and more,looks like the left,will just be left out,no matter how much they lay on the streets to protest looks like a long time before we have president in office who smoked but didn't inhale the left is a big joke they proved that them selfs
--shane
wmjestic@cs.com
The publisher replies:
You failed to make sense. The article did not mention abortion, nor did it contrast "left" and "right." So what are you responding to? If you want to be taken seriously, you can't just make things up. Read the article again and respond to something that is actually in there!

Wednesday April 23, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
The Progress Report is right on, unfortunately conservatives won't read this or if they do they won't understand it, so nothing will change. Those of us who agree with the Progress Report already know we're intellectually superior to conservatives. Out problem is getting the apolitical Americans to the polls before the conservatives get us all killed by the rest of the world.
--Jim Cerullo
chiefagc@bellsouth.net

Wednesday April 23, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I think it's outrageous how government criticism is labelled unpatriotic and un-american. Are we going back to McCarthyism?? I hope not. I try to avoid FOX at all cost - it's the worst of all the networks.
--Stan Naimon
snaimon@juno.com

Wednesday April 23, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
one of your points was the belief in the sanctity of human life. does that mean you are por-life and not pro-choice? or simply another liberal creating your own definitions to suit your needs?
--mike
msands@orbitz.com
The publisher replies:
What a rude, impolite way to pose a question. Calm down and try asking again.

Wednesday April 23, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I agree. Seems like the so called "patriots" are against the very things that make this country great. I support the Dixie Chicks. Though what was said might have been better timed it is there right. The thing that bothers me most is this flag thing. Seems like no body cared about displaying a flag until 911. Suddenly flags are everywhere and if you didn't display one you were un-american. It is like the old song "if Jesus were to pay a surprise visit to your front door would you have to go and find the family bible, dust it off and place it on the coffee table before you let Him in?" The only people that benefitted from the flag thing were the flag makers-mostly in China. People know I love America and I don't have to have a flag tacked all over everything that I have to prove it! That goes for Big Mouth Bill O'Reilly too!
--Malcolm Wilkins
wilkins.malcolm@epa.gov

Wednesday April 23, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
It's about time you guys to left stand-up against this fool. I just wish that you had done so sooner. Guys like Oreilly, Hannity, Rush, Mike Savage are a threat to our freedom in this country. They have taken over our airwaves and frankly, I am discussed that you guys on the left are not trying hard enough to challenge these white house puppits. One last thing, I leave in New York City and right now there is not a single talk-show radio host on the air there. Richard Bey who used to be the only liberal talk-show host at WABC in New York has been taken of the air. Again, I congratulate your staff and hopr this is only the beggining of better things to come in the democratic challenge of these conservative republicans.
--Michael Ritchie
hgritchie@optonline.net

Tuesday April 22, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
well said! as someone that has recently been told to "get the heck out" (of the country) , to "go hug a tree........in new zealand" and been called unpatriotic and unamerican this atricle is a refreshing reminder that i am not alone and for that i thank you. i will continue to teach my children to question authority, recycle, take care of the planet and that just because you are in the minority doesnt make you wrong nor does having the biggest army, best weapons and most money make you right. i am very disappointed in the way that the media and the gvmt has made it "unamerican" to disagree w/ anything the gvmt does. and even more disappointed in my fellow americans telling me to get out of the country just because i have an opinion that differs from theirs. i am no more unamerican than thomas jefferson or ben franklin....or superman or apple pie for that matter
--Stephanie
rainyday8169@yahoo.com

Tuesday April 22, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
After reading your American Values list I must say it reminds me of the difference between watching the Oreilly and Hannity/Colmes shows and CNN: The yelling and screaming all comes from the right wing side. Even the letters you have received re your list shows how black or white the right column is with no shades of grey. I agree with the left column, altho there are some areas where controls may be necessary due to the dishonesty of individuals in this day and age. But it is a good start(the list), and I commend you.
--Dona
Montana

Tuesday April 22, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
"The citizens of the United States have been feeling extra stress recently, concerning war against the citizens of Iraq. At the time of this writing, polls indicate that most oppose the war."
You keep responding to many posters that they are not addressing the list. But when you preface the list with a statement like this one - you should probably expect people to respond in terms of the war. Either remove all the references to the war, or start being intellectually honest and accept that the people are responding to what you DID have in the article, though I understand your purpose wasn't to focus on it. I made a response that dealt with the war, in addition to other things on the list. To me it is prettty obvious that you do not 'support the war'. So I used the situation in Iraq to address on eof the items on your list.
Also - You should have a board that we can respond directly to your responses. It would be much clearer that way.
--Bruiser48
Bruiser48@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
I don't mind if people talk about the war, and I never claimed that the article said nothing about that. I do object to people going on and on about Hussein, Bill Clinton, Buddhism and various other things that were simply not relevant to the article. There's nothing intellectually dishonest about that, and you have no business suggesting otherwise.
Thank you for your suggestion about establishing a board for further discussion of these topics. We are in the process of building a "threaded discussion" function that will serve that purpose. Meanwhile, let me recommend the Economic Justice Discussion Room as an excellent place to further discuss topics such as these.

Tuesday April 22, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
"Believes strongly in inventiveness, entrepreneurship, and human initiative. Opposes taxes that hinder production, opposes corporate welfare handouts, opposes government-sponsored special privileges such as "limited liability" rules."
I assume this means that the drafters oppose all welfare, and taxes on business - which everyone should realize is simply passed on to the consumer.(You don't think companies just eat the losses because they want the best for the customer - even if it means a lower profit.)
"Thinks critics of the status quo are patriotic"
Far too sweeping of a statement. It is a ridiculous statment to say such a thing. The true argument is whether the status quo is unjust or not. Only if it is unjust should it be criticized. Not because it is the status quo, but because it is unjust.
"Believes that the best way to lead people is to understand and help them."
We both understand and want to help the Iraqi people. That's why we are getting rid of a dictator who oppresses them and who does NOT listen to any sort of reasoning because by definition, he wants to stay in power. Saddam Hussein would never change because if he did, he would be overthrown. Any negative effects of the war are BY FAR much less harmful to Iraq than what the Baathist regime was doing to them on a daily basis.
--Bruiser48
Bruiser48@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
Thank you for your comments.
When you say that the status quo should not be criticized unless it is unjust, who decides? The government? You personally? Freedom doesn't quite work that way. The point of freedom of speech is not only to allow speech that you like and consider just. Freedom of speech permits even speech that you deplore or consider unjust. You can't bar speech just because you, or your government, find it disagreeable.
Concerning leadership -- It's nice of you to say that we both understand the Iraqi people, but I believe that oversimplifies. I wonder if you also think that the Iraqi people understand us? In any case, you don't seem to address the point about what makes a good leader. It sounds as though we agree that Hussein was not a good leader, so at least that's a beginning.

Monday April 21, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Re: 'The Progress Report'-Great presentation of the FACTS. It is clear, concise, honest, accurate, and informative....
Thank You for showing me that the whole Country [USA] has not gone Mad!
Best,
Dr. David J. Johnson
Pennsylvania
--Dr. David J. Johnson
DJohnsonPsy@AOL.com

Monday April 21, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Good comments. On the 2nd to the last anti american list, i'd have further highlited that anti-americanism is wanting the govt to collect information on all citizens (total information awareness).
--eric oslund
ericoslund42@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
That is a good point. Thank you.

Monday April 21, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I have read the list. I agree with that list. I am a veteran who is against use of the Military to resolve political conflict and for that have been labled Un-American and a Traitor. I do, with the current atmosphere in this country, fear for its citizens freedoms and future.
--JC
Michigan

Monday April 21, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I agree at least 110 percent. More power to you.
--Arthur J. Goodman
snowballmeow@email.com

Sunday April 20, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I feel that the Politicians have too much control in the lives of the American citizen. It seems that we are working for them instead of them working for us. When they want a raise in salary they just go about voting it in themselves instead of the public having a say in the matter. A good example of that is the way Congress voted themselves a 3.1% hike yet the retirees on Social Security got a mere 1.4%. It seems to me that the voting public should have a say in the matter of percent pay raises. I feel that the Politicians have the same attitude as a lot of the CEO's that got caught with their hands in the till. And that is the heck with the little guy.
--Steve
pondex@usadatanet.net

Friday April 18, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Nice try but no cigar. Good attempt to mix 70% free market capitalism (the bait) and 30% anti-capitalist collectivism (the switch. 1)Lure us in with a phrase like..."opposes government-sponsored special privileges" and then instead of saying something meaningful,... like affirmative action,... you state ...such as "limited liability" rules. Limited liability rules are at the heart of American corporate law. Sounds like more socialist boilerplate. 2)"Wants America to have lots of flexible options for energy sources". OK, Prove me wrong...that you are not just another closet collectivist... and state that you support nuclear power.
--bellies
bellytrader@yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
You say that you like government-sponsored "limited liability" privilege for corporations. In other words, in this case you favor what you call "anti-capitalist collectivism." Yet you seem to be trying to say that "collectivism" is bad, so you are working against yourself.
You say something vague in favor of nuclear power. Once again you are showing your "collectivism." You should know that nuclear power has never succeeded in a free market. The only places where nuclear power operates, it is with heavy government sponsorship. In the United States, for example, the Price-Anderson Act gives a huge special privilege to the nuclear power industry.
You claim to support a free market, but instead you favor big-government interventions in the economy. You won't get very many people to take you seriously if you call yourself a free market capitalist but then oppose free market capitalism! You'd better go back to the drawing board and find a philosophy that you actually believe in.

Friday April 18, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Thank you for your information. After watching (unintentionally sometimes) the O'Reilley program, I thought there is NO hope for America. I am glad there are Americans who are NOT as ignorant, arragant and stupid as the Bill O'Reiley. Is he retarted? He was creatisising Bill Clinton. There are many things about Bill Clinton that I don't like, but I truely believe American people will be much populay among the world if he is still in power. His recent comments on the Bush administration make a lot of sense.
Thanks again.
--Michael Chen
wchen92009@hotmail.com

Friday April 18, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I wonder if we can triumph over the wwf-style morality that permeates such large sectors of the population (both in the US and canada, where I live).
It seems the ones with the power have once again gotten their message across to the little people. First it was the native peoples, then the blacks, now it is 'mad Arabs'.
I don't pray the world becomes a better place because I don't believe in prayer. I believe in rigid logic and unshaking realism; they've amassed their armies and it is us...
--Jerry
Canada
The publisher replies:
Let's hear your suggestions for what good people should do in a situation like this.

Friday April 18, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Well, I think patriotism is another form of racism, more so in times of war. Though appreciate what you are saying.
--kafir
CA

Thursday April 17, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Are you people sober? If so, how long have you been sober? Do you realize what kind of people we have been fighting against? Saddam and his regime are a tyrranical type government that stand against everything American! He kills his own people to test weapons to use on other nations! You can see by the way that the regime fought the war that they have no honor! To allow a person like Saddam to remain in power is like asking for more 9/11's! Would that be patriotic?
--T.J.
pfabby@earthlink.net
The publisher replies:
You're responding to some weird fantasy of your own, not to the article! Read it again, and try a little harder this time. The article was not about Hussein. If you want people to take you seriously, you can't just make things up -- you should respond to something that is actually in the article.

Thursday April 17, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Re: List of American Values.
You are pretty much on the money there. A couple observations relative to a response by Mike from April 1--there are few 'Leninist communists' anymore, in Hollywood or elsewhere; I wonder where that '85% support the war' came from? Support for the war was in the mid-60s before it began, and that was only with UN approval; only 35% supported a unilateral attack.
And Clear Channel Communications, from what I have read, is actually linked to the far right. Keep up the vigilance! Patriot Act II should be your next venture.
--Gene
Pennsylvania

Wednesday April 16, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I'm sorry the extreme left isn't in control of our country anymore, but you need to work out your own issues before you write anymore articles. Your original concept of outlining american values was excellent but I believe you went astray somewhere in between sulking that President Bush is in the White House.
--Elizabeth Cooper
shygurlblue37@yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
What in the world are you talking about? The article never mentioned "left" or "right." I am not sulking about Bush.
Here is a brand-new idea for you. How about actually addressing one, just one, thing that was actually said in the article? Then someone might take you seriously. As it stands now, you just make things up that weren't in the article, and it makes you sound like a bogus fool.

Wednesday April 16, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
no way man!! this list is bullshit!!everybody whos got a brain thats working wont believe this crap. im not saying that im anti-american or that i support people who think that way. but if someone opposes ur culture or ur government, it doesnt mean that he also wants to live under a dictatorship or that he opposes freedom of speech or democracy! so sorry, but nobody should be publishing lies like that.
--stella
stella_roeber@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
What does the article say that you think is not right? Be specific. You haven't mentioned anything that contradicts the article.

Monday April 14, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
It's obvious, America is now being run by an oligarchy. We've got an enormous fight ahead of us, but we've got to fight for our freedoms. Let's run these stupid, selfish jerks out of office!
--Charlie Rice
ricepuf@aol.com

Thursday April 10, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Do you think that this country is ever going to get back to the "American" side of the equation, as you outlined so brilliantly in your article?
--Leonard Wills
New York
The publisher replies:
The United States has a population nearing 300,000,000 people. There is a lot of room here for a lot of variety among individuals. Of course it would be great to see more Americans, especially the so-called leaders, start to do a better job of upholding American values. Will we see that? I don't know, but I do know that the America of tomorrow will be a product of our actions today. We must reach out to others and share our view of American values, and listen to theirs.

Friday April 4, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I agree
--Jerry
ajerrygreenberg@earthlink.net

Friday April 4, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Excellent definition of what's going on in this country. Very insightful. Keep the articles coming.
--Bill Endres
BillEW113@aol.com

Friday April 4, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
kisk ass! I agree
--lars
lars_belcher@yahoo.com

Wednesday April 2, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I don't know if there can ever be an accurate list of "American values." I think that the essence of America, what makes it great, is individual self-direction, open-mindedness, which naturally results in the embrace of progress.
The reason, I think, that this particular quality permeates and drives American society is the optimism inherent in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These documents clearly and fiercely establish the protection of individual rights as the law's most sacred responsility.
Because of this, America is in a constant state of self-improvement. And because of that, the best possible description of a list of "American values" would simply read like a list of human values.
Patriotism, on the other hand, is an extremely base notion. I was born in Chicago, so I root for the Bears, can't help it. Does my loyalty to my hometown's professional football team make me a better person than a Miami native's loyalty to the Dolphins?
Yes, I love America and I am intensely proud of her. America's faults and mistakes also embarrass me. But the reason I love America is because of her humanity. It's patriotic to defend one's government even when it's wrong, but it's not American.
As for protesting this war:
it has already begun and will not end before the US is victorious, no matter how much protesting takes place ... I'm aware the protesters probably don't realize this but the only possible effect of protest now is to demoralize US troops and/or embolden their foes. Therefore, at this point, protesting the war may be "American," but it is not logical.
--Adam Monroe
AdamJonMonroe@aol.com
The publisher replies:
I agree that it is unclear whether there can ever be an accurate list of "American values." But in the article we took the plunge and made a first draft, and it is drawing a lot of interesting reactions. The document will evolve and improve over time.
You go on to say that you believe protesting against the war is not logical when we are at war, because it could undermine the war effort. To be consistent, I hope you claimed that anyone favoring war during the last eight months prior to it, was being illogical and undermining the peace effort.
In my opinion, it is always right to protest against killing.

Wednesday April 2, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
As a British woman I feel an immense anger at the lies our respective governments have fed us. Yesterday I was listening on the radio to a Dutch director of a human rights organization. He said that Saddam Hussein is far from the top of the list when it comes to human rights abuses. Yet Saddam is presented to us as the most evil fanatic the world has ever seen.
We are expected to believe that he is terrorizing 24 million people into supporting him. Is that really credible? Surely some headway would be made if this were the truth. Surely SOME of the Iraqi people would be glad to see us?
I heard reports from around the world of young men volunteering from Syria, Egypt, (4,000 from there) Saudi Arabia and various other Arab nations in support of the Iraqi people. If this continues, we will be beaten by sheer force of numbers.
World public opinion is ruining the reputations of the UK and the USA and we have made a massive historical mistake. I feel it will be 100 years before we regain the respect of the world.
In Russia, signs are being pasted on restaurant and bar doors saying "If you are British or American we will not serve you."
Bush and Blair have made us the pariahs of the world. We owe it to ourselves and our children to get rid of these two madmen and show that sense can prevail. Then we can deal with Saddam.
--Jackie Curbishley
curbishley@sunbeach.net

Tuesday April 1, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
So letting nurderers go free is patriotic. Why should I spend my tax dollars on housing criminals who kill rape molest or whatever sick crimes they've committed. Capital punishment works. It might deter others but the one who did it will be detered. Does the progress report truly believe if America disarms the world will follow. Thats insane, look @ history when the US disarms other countries arm themselves. For instance ww2 america had a bout a 180,000 man army w/ little weapons & what happened Germany Japan & italy armed themselves & startes a major war. Look the 90's Bill clinton destroyed the military & the moral of the military & what happened we were attacked over & over by terrorist countries & the vermon they support. Peaced is a wondeful dream but will never happen as lons as humans inhabit the earth, Peace is not patriotic it's fool hearty. I ask you what would happen to me if I brought a sighn that said destroy Iraq & sadam to a peacefull anti war rally. You know I would get mobbed on by those supposedly peacefull marchers, These are the same cats that disrupt traffic & keep people from jobs carry weapons & attack police. ^You have a right to protest but not infringe on my life by bolcking traffic. Most anti-american rallies are orginized by the communist in AMerica, & Mcarthy was right have you ever read the venona papers where the KGB openly admits to having high ranking positions held by communist & having many communist in hollywood. Just because you are cowards & would never fight doesn't mean that 85% of america who backs this war is wrong., I know i spelled some words wrong but debate me if you can
--Mike
michaelsouza505@hotmail.com
The publisher replies:
The article said nothing about America disarming. Clinton increased military spending. The anti-American rallies were apparently organized by a corporation called Clear Channel Communications and it has no particular link to Communists. Sheesh, you will need to do a lot of work to separate your true claims from your false ones -- then discard the false ones -- then start over and try to make a point in response to something in the article. You have a long way to go before you can be taken seriously, but I hope you will do the necessary work.

Tuesday April 1, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
I am in support of your position. Unfortunately, mass media sets the tone and controls the zeitgeist.
The anti-Americans have studied the Goebbels doctrine and used it an a scale never imagined by Goebbels himself.
Orwell's Animal Farm and 1984 will most likely be burned in the aftermath of Farenheight 911.
The American people, being of short attention span, require simple answers to complex questions. H.L. Menken once said no one ever went broke underestimating the intellegence of the American people.
Question Authority. The Whole World is Watching. Keep it simple.

--GEHMAC
b.sussman3@verizon.net

Tuesday April 1, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Hi,
thanks for your description, what "America" means - your view is exactly what the world outside (at least most Europeans) believes to be "America" - and now is wondering, what's really going on
wish you all the best
--bevier
bevier@bussole.de

Monday March 31, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Nice article on american , anti-american values. It appears that our country is currently led by those who hold anti-american views. Don't dare tell that to them though!
--Brad Sullivan
bradgtrman@aol,com

Tuesday March 4, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Wow -
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Sunday March 2, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
What about those who oppose war, run away from the draft but after they are too old to serve in the military the start waving the flag, beating the war drum and rattle the sabers. The media is full of these kids of people and so is the congress. There aught to be a law.
--T. Sorensen
tomas.deutrera@juno.com
The publisher replies:
Are you referring to Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Ashcroft?

Sunday March 2, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Great work, Hanno! I would add to that list the fact that it is an "anti-American characteristic" to ignore the fundamental distinction between the government of a country and the country itself, by mindlessly accusing those who criticize the U.S. government of criticizing America. The irony is that, in the very act of using this collectivist view of government to smear war dissenters as "anti-American," right-wing reactionaries show themselves to be anti-American.
--Todd Altman
TMA68@aol.com

Saturday February 22, 2003
Concerning the List of American Values article:
Let’s see "feels the government has the right to kill there own citizens and the citizens of other countries" sounds a lot like Iraq to me, or maybe I just imagined the gassing of Kurds and Shiites. I suppose that your anti-capital punishment group is pro choice as well. But you are right it IS okay to murder unborn children because teh are still inside their mothers bodies but the execution of convicted killers, who willfully violated the law and committed vicious acts of brutality, is way way out of line. And what does the "war on drugs" have to do with government intrusion of our individual rights. Oh I get it we should be allowed to do what ever we want as long as we do it in the privacy of our own homes. Unfortunately the "victimless private behavior" that one can only infer as being impeded by the "war on drugs" is not so victimless when you consider that the majority of crime these days is drug related, but then again those people probably deserved it so I guess they really weren’t victims after all. Yes and lets abolish those evil tariffs and sales taxes that fund those free will robbing institutions like public school systems and local police forces and those evil baby killers in the U.S. military who swear to uphold and defend the Constitution fo the United States, sometimes at the cost of their very lives. They, er I mean we, probbly don’t mean our sacred oaths anyway. And so much for freedom of religion when people like the late Madalynne Murray O’Hara and her United Athiests of America have made it illegal for my daughters to pray in a public school. Who do we selfish Christians think we are? But I am sure that the Cristians in India, the Middle East, Europe, China and Africa (ie the Sudan)enjoy far more religious tolerance and freedom than Hindus, Buhdists, Muslims and others enjoy in the U.S. under the oppressive George W.Bush. I welcome you t reply to me but doubt that I will ever hear from you. Your kind rarely acknowledge those with differing views
--Martin Wakefield
Martin.Wakefield@us.army.mil
The publisher replies:
You go on and on about a bunch of stuff that wasn't even mentioned in the article. If you want to be taken seriously, you have to respond to what was written. Don't just make things up.

Thursday January 30, 2003
Concerning the Bush versus American Values article:
Our Pacifica station in Houston, Tx , replayed (1/29/03) Natalie Johnson Lee’s response to Bush’s "Sorry State of the Union Address". It was a magnificent speech and one of the like I’ve been fervently wishing a progressive Democratic voice to shout from the Congressional floor. May her words gather affect and effect!
--Betsy Daubenspeck
daubenspeck@houston.rr.com

Wednesday January 29, 2003
Concerning the Bush versus American Values article:
I wonder how many Americans behave like anti-Americans to-day.(according to the list on the right)
--marcel Schuer
marcel.schuer@pandora.be

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