Responses to the "Todd Altman on Why Pro-War Advocates Have Got It Wrong" Article
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Tuesday October 25, 2005
Concerning the Todd Altman on Why Pro-War Advocates Have Got It Wrong
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I don't agree with the war. We are killing innocent people.
--angely
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Monday October 11, 2004
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It is interesting that the very right you are expressing, freedon of speech, was earned by war. The war that our forefathers fought in. You do them a great disrespect, sir.
--Anonymous
USA
The publisher replies:
So according to you, anytime somebody says something, that automatically endorses all wars at all times? That's ridiculous. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to read the actual article and respond to something the author actually says.
Thursday April 29, 2004
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Pearls to swine, my friend. It's going to take a lot more than mere common sense to wake these sleeping babes. Not until the corpses of their own have fallen before their fluffy slippers, will they begin to question. I suspect, however, that by then the answers will be even harder to find.
--J R R
fe_asco@hotmail.com
Tuesday January 13, 2004
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I like having the last word as much as you do. Knowing you (and hey, I don't!), it won't be the last thing you have to say on the matter.
Do you really think YOU know the difference between an argument and an insult? Well, here’s mine: you missed the point in both of my emails, but if you’re interested, I can take time to break it down further for you, like phonetically.
Anyone can be sarcastic--heck, even a fourteen year old can come up with a great comeback (and yours was NOT). You were too busy trying to come up with some pithy remark to make yourself look smart and prove me wrong that you didn’t even get what I was trying to say.
Don't bother asking for our opinions if you can't come up with VALID arguments to counter them. Apparently, however, your "forum" isn't for "political education", it's for secretly laughing behind your hand at those who disagree with your ideology. Oh, and getting group hugs from those who agree.
Real debate comes when you understand what the other person is getting at but can logically (and graciously) argue WHY they are wrong. It's also when people learn from each other. I'm here to tell you that you did NOT prove why I was wrong, believe me. You haven’t a clue what I was getting at. Maybe I’m not explaining it well enough (I don't doubt that's possible) but I’m pretty sure you’re not really listening anyway.
I was looking forward to learning something from you (your site looked interesting) or at least having a friendly debate over salient points, but all I learned was that no matter what, you believe you are right. Well, no room for discussion or debate there. However, you sure get a kick out of insulting us, so keep it up, if it makes you feel better about yourself. I, for one, am off to find folks I can learn from and who believe they might be able to learn from me.
However, I am looking forward to your last one-liner, so fire away. Good luck to you.
--Stephanie M.
airbarbi@yahoo.com
Sunday January 4, 2004
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The fuss is this: you have listed links claiming to prove that the media "lied" about weapons inspectors being kicked out of Iraq. You and “Fair” claim that you have proof that inspectors were NEVER kicked out of Iraq, period.
Here are my main problems with that broad assumption: --“Fair” only lists 1998, but in many other articles throughout the Web, many other years are listed (including several separate incidents in 1998). This includes November 1997 (I said “five years not four” in my original email because I was giving the 2002 reporters the benefit of the doubt that they meant 1997 not 1998. I doubt they meant 1997.)
--Could it be that “Fair” doesn’t list the other dates (or say exactly which date in 1998 is incorrect) because: a.) Their own research is shoddy b.) They don’t KNOW about the other dates and didn’t bother to look c.) They knew that if someone proved that inspectors WERE kicked out at some time other than 1998, it would be irrelevant to say that inspectors WEREN'T kicked out at all?
--Supposedly “Fair” is pointing out the inconsistencies in the pro-war community. But “Fair” is quoting CNN, New York Times, AP, NPR, and so on. Those sources are as liberal and anti-war as “Fair” is. If I were stupid, I would think this shows how unbiased “Fair” is, but I can’t. In order to do that I would have to assume that those anti-war sources—CNN, etc—intentionally misled the public in order to support an Administration they despise and a war they violently hate. I’m more inclined to think that, in this day and age of Jason Blair, the reporters just did shoddy research. The New York Times (not JUST Blair) and CNN both have a recent history of that, so I don’t doubt the other sources have the same problem (most companies will have a few liars or lazy people if they employ human beings in their workplace.) If “Fair” is trying to say there is a conspiracy, then I will laugh at them.
-- Besides, who is "Fair" that I have to believe their story? They are merely quoting media articles—there is nothing scholarly in that. Again, goes back to shoddy reporting or shoddy research. Exposing inconsistencies in reporting exposes nothing but the sloppy journalistic skills of the reporters, not the lies of the government. It also just exposes the sloppy investigative skills of "Fair"...
I would list my sources, but they are easy to find by typing in “1997” (or any other year between 1991 and 2003), “inspectors” and “Iraq”. Many of them are the same sources quoted by “Fair” and few of them are scholarly, either. My intent is not to prove “Fair”…or you…wrong. It is merely to point out reasonable doubt to the validity of including that “lie” in your list of points with those resources.
I am currently a member of the Air Force and a believer in what GW is doing (and not just because he’s the Commander in Chief. I dig much farther than that.) Thanks for your service and thanks for having a strong viewpoint. It makes me think. I don’t necessarily agree, but it makes me research it to know WHY I don’t agree.
--Stephanie M.
airbarbi@yahoo.com
The publisher replies:
Sorry to have to tell you this, but 1997 came before 1998. If you want to deny that the inspectors were withdrawn in 1998, then try looking for their whereabouts in 1999, not 1997.
Saturday December 20, 2003
Concerning the Todd Altman on Why Pro-War Advocates Have Got It Wrong
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This editorial was so amazingly written. It is trully hard to find people who can write so well. You stated the truth in the most clear and concise manner and those people who respond with a negative view are, like you said, acting out of fear. I hope that more people can speak out like you have. Continue writing.
aorzeck@ehshouston.org
--Allie Orzeck
Texas
Wednesday June 4, 2003
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HELLO MY NAME IS CRYSTAL MEADOWS I AM 14 YEARS OLD
AND THIS ARTICLE IS TOTAL CRAP SADDAM HUSSIEN DID GAS
HIS OWN PEOPLE AND OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE
ANTI AMERICAN YOU CANT STOP THIS WAR OR ANY OTHER
THE LEAST YOU COULD DO IS SUPPORT OUR COUNTRY AND
OUR LEADERS IN ABOUT 4 YEARS I WILL BE JOINING THE ARMY
AND IF I GO TO WAR I WILL DEFINATLY NOT FORGET WHAT
IM FIGHTING FOR AND AS A AIR FORCE VETERAN YOU
SHOULDNT FORGET WHAT YOU HAVE FOUGHTEN FOR EITHER
SO YOU CAN SIT THERE AND SIP ON YOUR FRENCH WINE
IF YOU WANT TO BUT THE REAL AMERICANS DEFINATLY WONT
FORGET WHAT WERE FIGHTING FOR!!!!!
--CRYSTAL MEADOWS
OREGON
The publisher replies:
At some point I hope you will learn the difference between making an argument and making an insult. You will be much better off in life, and will be taken more seriously, if you are capable of doing either, instead of just one.
Friday April 18, 2003
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If an Air Force guy could figure this out
how about you
John Q.?
--Warren Faulk
Army
Thursday April 10, 2003
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Great article Todd. I commend you for speaking out. dave antoon
--david antoon
usa
Wednesday April 9, 2003
Concerning the Todd Altman on Why Pro-War Advocates Have Got It Wrong
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This letter is to all the “Anti-war” people. You say you want peace
but yet, you can not hold a peaceful protest. Isn’t that an oxymoron?
Laying down in the street and blocking trucks that have supplies for
the troops, that definitely says your nice people. No matter how hard
you try to state your case, it’s not based on true hard facts. Can’t
you see you only hurt the very people that protect you? That is NOT
support for our troops. For anyone who thinks Saddam was not a
terrorist or that we should not be there, You are wrong.... Maybe you
should talk with some of the Iraqi’s that was riding his head! Or
burning his posters. If you think the United States was in it for the
money (oil) or for any other reason that would benefit us, You should
probably understand the facts and the Administration before you make a
fool of yourself. Bottom line is, we the people of the United States
do not know all the facts, If you claim to, you’re a liar. Second if
you think that Saddam should have been left alone, Maybe you should of
moved to Iraq and enjoyed your peaceful life there.
Support our troops, they are doing a wonderful job and extremely
strong people. Best of luck to them and their families.
--Sue
New Jersey
The publisher replies:
I personally attended the largest of the antiwar rallies and they were indeed peaceful. You appear to think that some protests were not peaceful -- fine, give some specific examples as evidence for your claim, and let's discuss them. Don't just make things up.
Unfortunately, you cite no facts and provide nothing new in your weak letter. If you want to be taken seriously, you must learn to respond to specific things that were actually said in the original article.
Tuesday April 8, 2003
Concerning the Todd Altman on Why Pro-War Advocates Have Got It Wrong
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I think that you have a serious problem. You talk so badly of a government that gives you the right to say what you want to say. I say shame on you. You also forget that great men and women have fought for what this country stands for and you simply write them and what they have done off. This artcle is well written however I must disagree with it
--Todd Henson
USA
The publisher replies:
Government does not "give" you a right to freedom of speech. All people had that right long before there was a government, and they still have that right. Government is an instrument that people formed in order to make it easier to recognize, protect and preserve such rights -- but currently most governments, including that of the USA, are interfering with freedom of speech.
Rights are not a gift from government nor from anyone else. They are yours.
Tuesday April 8, 2003
Concerning the Todd Altman on Why Pro-War Advocates Have Got It Wrong
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Great article!
I think that the we-Americans, need to exercise our brains, and make up our minds based on facts and evidence instead of allowing cheerleaders such as the main media-NBC, ABC, etc to feed us their interpretations of what is happening.
We are becoming so lazy, and news reports are so bias that is an insult to our intelligence.
I do listen to all, bias news and non-bias news, because I need to hear it all so I can make up my mind- and I have an opinion that is my opinion. An opinion and reasoning that I understand how I got there.
We need a culture of less quick-consuming, we need to stop and really THINK about what we are doing.
--Maxima
Massachusetts
Monday April 7, 2003
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Not sure why all the fuss about the inspectors being expelled in 1998. Everything I've read says they were expelled earlier, in November 1997. Don't know why people would say "4 years ago" when it was actually five. Maybe they got the two incidences mixed up. Who knows.
Just one example: http://www.news10.net/news-special/war/iraq-timeline.htm
--Stephanie M.
LA
The publisher replies:
What is the fuss you are talking about, and why does it crucially depend on 1998 instead of 1997?
Monday April 7, 2003
Concerning the Todd Altman on Why Pro-War Advocates Have Got It Wrong
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I'm trying to forge a real opinion on the war. And I think that there is one point that you're totally missing here or maybe it's that I'm not informed enough.
No matter what is the reason the government tells us, I think the major reason why we are at war right now is oil and economic concerns. Since Venezuala stopped producing oil, the american economy is going nowhere but down. And if, we don't have control over the oil price at some point the whole country is going to pay for it. Capilist? Yes. Tough? Yes. True? That's what I'm really trying to figure out.
So, going at war is to protect our way of living. The American saw a menace in Saddam Hussein and they getting rid of it.
I think it's easy to be against war, but I think even if we are against war we have to admit that there is a problem(an economic one) and come up with ideas to solve it. Saying I want peace without acknowlodgind the economic issue is just being blind.
With the war, the american will take control of the oil and stabilize the economy.
--Benoit Jourdain
Canada
The publisher replies:
The United States and Great Britain insist that they will not take control of Iraq's oil deposits, but rather will ensure that the value of the oil will go to the Iraqi people. It's a great promise, now we'll have to see if they stick to it. (It would also be interesting to see the same promise applied to all the countries in the world.)
At any rate, yes, economics and natural resources have a lot to do with this war. The author of this article has written on economic subjects, as have others and still others here at The Progress Report.
Monday April 7, 2003
Concerning the Todd Altman on Why Pro-War Advocates Have Got It Wrong
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Brilliant article. It expresses my very view of the American government's wars on a multitude of peoples and nations throughout history. True, anti-war protesters and peace believers are labelled as anti everything when it comes to opposing government led and sponsored terrorism. This Iraqi war and the many preceding it, are wars of contradictions. The governments of the so-called civilized western world seem to be doing the very things and committing the very atrocities they say they are fighting to stop. This is complete and utter bull....
To make things worse, they seem to be able to dupe the majority of people on this planet into believing they are saviours of this world through their media puppet machines. It is a war of information. A war to end the liberty of free thinking. In short it is a war on the American people and us all.
And in my view, supporting the troops is supporting the government, hence supporting the slaughter of innocent people, and supporting the lie. And if anyone still thinks that this is a naive and foolish point of view, think again. Imagine bombs falling on your house, on your head, on your families, on your country. Not nice hey! Down right immoral and uncivilised. Disgusting to say the least.
Peace to Americans, Iraqis and us all!
--Marianne
Australia
Sunday April 6, 2003
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An excellent article. It stated and restated my own postition. It should be of grave concern to Americans that we have been subjected to the lies articulated. Certainly those responsible for a direct violation of our Constitution should be held accountable. If we are a country of law, nothing less than that is acceptable.
Those dangers far excede the harm that any Saddam can inflict. Ultimately this is an internal question and its resolution will determine the kind of Nation that we are citizens of.
If the excercise of free speech cannot bring a speedy resolution, I would suggest that the ballot box is our ultimate weapon in defense of a great Nation.
--Tom Asbridge
North Dakota
Sunday April 6, 2003
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Why don't pro-war advocates want to know about the historical context of this war? It is more complex than simply a deep rooted fear of losing one's emotional comfort.
The historical context of this reaction on their part may help explain the why of the blinders.
Historically those psychology thinkers with a collectivist notion have been using their understanding of mind control to brainwash the people of this country.
--Cheryl
Texas
Saturday April 5, 2003
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Thanks so much for all the hard work that you have put into this list of links. I have publicised it on my web page (with full credit) and i hope it encourages some to get involved. Kudos
--Jazz
British.
Saturday April 5, 2003
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great article todd
--brian
usa
Friday April 4, 2003
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A common charge levied against the Peace protesters is that they are hurting the troops. I would like them to find even one Marine or other Warfighter who would tell you that their moral has been damaged by free speech at home.
Laughter would likely great that question. And so the whole reason for trying to shut down the protests is an obvious lie. But I have a more serious question that I would like to ask.
Would you as an American war fighter be happier and prouder of fighting for a country with free speech or fighting for one where free speech is censored, or punished. I believe the answer will be overwhelmingly that they want to fight for free speech. So it is easy to conclude that it is the hate mongers against the protesters who will be hurting American moral.
Lets support our troops by keeping the country they are fighting for free, till at least when they get back.
--Jonathan Hall
California
Friday April 4, 2003
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fantastic article! please keep up the good work
--lars
lars_belcher@yahoo.com
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